Clarifications for SB

[SimonC]

10. Higher command can move left or right, but that will prevent it using any command rolls that turn.

higher command comes first, so subsequent movement is moot

[SimonC]

11. Applying hits.
SHOOTING= target chooses location of 1st hit only. 
FIGHTING= target chooses location of first 2 hits only.

2 also applies to barrage as well. This often asked

[Nick]

Always find these rules clarifications to be a useful reminder. Thank you.

regards,
Nick

[John Watson]

Sorry, but I am still not clear.
Is it right that you need 1.5 bases of infantry and/or cavalry to count as support?
Gun and MG bases do not count as support?
John

[Sean Clark]

As written in the rulebook, yes.

Its good that there is discussion and thoughts of other eays to play. As Simon C has said, at his club, they allow MGs in support and it sounds like they are considering only allowing 'at strength' units to count.

This is great. First it shows interest in a set of rules now 10 uears old. Secony, it shows creativity and different ways of thinking. 

Once you buy the rules, they are yours to use however you like. Add rules in, take some away. No one will say you're  wrong.

Clearly though when players come together from different clubs, you need to stick to what is written f9r clarity - unless there is agreement between both players.

Simon has managed to run quite a few Squarebashing days (for which we all thank him!) and we have managed to have a good days gaming with the rules as written. Long may that continue.

[SimonC]

Once this thread has run its course I'll add them to the FAQ pages here. If Martin wants to take on the mantle and create a PDF that is fine too. But the FAQ is what we use at the SB days for any such discrepancies.

[martin goddard]

Yes Simon .  If you can add it to the FAQ that would be great. I will add it to the website too. Thank you.


No worries John.
This will help.

1. Ignore any MG or artillery bases.
2. Then count the number of bases present in the square, summing them  into to a single  cumulative total. damaged tanks and AC only count as half bases.
Undamaged AC and tanks count as whole bases.
The important thing here is the total rather than where the parts are from.

3. Once the count has finished. Total of 0, 0-5, 1 is not enough.  Total 1.5, 2, 2.5.......etc = support.


e.g.
A square contains 1.5 bases of an infantry unit, 1 base of a cavalry unit and an artillery gun.
The gun is ignored.
The remaining bases add up to  1.5 + 1= 2.5. This is enough for support to be claimed.


e.g.
A square contains an MG base, a half cavalry base and an artillery base.
The MG and artillery bases are ignored. This leaves the half cavalry base.
This is not enough to count as support.


e.g. A Square contains a tank and a damaged AC.  This counts as 1.5 bases too.


That should help (?)



martin


Nearly there.

[Leman (Andy)]

I rather like Simon's ideas on support. In Walter Schnaff's that is exactly how a mitrailleuse is used. Keep them hidden and use them  to support against a Prussian assault. When used offensively in a gun line they tended to be shot to pieces by Prussian artillery, not having the range to counter, thus they have no ranged fire action in the WS variant.
However WWI machine guns are a different kettle of fish. I tend to game mostly 1914 so only heavy machine guns are available. They were a bit on the weighty side to be carried into an offensive, but were extremely effective in defensive positions. I am thinking here of the way the machine gun on the bridge at Mons was used. I do not think it unreasonable to count a machine gun as a support weapon for a defender. I can also see Simon's point about needing at least two full bases of infantry or dismounted cavalry to count as effective support in both defence and attack. The same should also apply to mounted cavalry, if they have actually made it into a melee, which did happen a few times in 1914.

[Wardy64]

Think the last time we played a proper game of SB was at Nothe Fort. Be nice to see another big game spread over multiple tables, Mons as previously mentioned would be good to play like that.

D&B

[John Watson]

Oh no. Andy is machine gunning kettles full of fish. Didn't spot that in the rules. Do fish in kettles count as support? Is a kettle with machine holes in it a half base?
Seriously though, thanks to Sean and Martin for clarifying.
John

[Leman (Andy)]

It's my latest fishing method. Machine guns instead of rods. Saves an awful lot of time spent under green umbrellas.

[Sean Clark]

It's my latest fishing method. Machine guns instead of rods. Saves an awful lot of time spent under green umbrellas.

🤣😂 a more miserable way to pass the time I cannot imagine!

[Leman (Andy)]

Well, when you are a little puzzled about something it is best to return to the actual rules and have a re-read. Lo and behold there in the defenders factors for assaults are those for machine guns present in the defender's square. After the attackers assault has taken place any other machine guns the defender has available get to fire, either at the attackers, if they are still around, or at those attempting to support the attackers. Ruling out machine guns as supports probably makes it more of a game, and they do get to fire in the next step of the turn sequence.

[Administrator]

After the attackers assault has taken place any other machine guns the defender has available get to fire, either at the attackers, if they are still around, or at those attempting to support the attackers. Ruling out machine guns as supports probably makes it more of a game, and they do get to fire in the next step of the turn sequence.

ALL caveated by the fact as long as its not in a square assaulted.

But the same also applies to all MG, Guns and Infantry

[Administrator]

The FAQ has been updated with the clarification that MGs and Guns do not count for support bases. The other items LOS, overhead shooting, allocating hits are already on the FAQ.

The other items are pretty much covered in the rules