ACW Epic?

[Sean Clark]

Excellent channel, Julian, thanks for sharing.

[Moggy]

Now I have my copy of Pony Wars I will have to get Cavalry, Only choice is which make? Tempted by the Kallistra 6 boxes for 5 offer. Still getting gun limbers from PP though. They seem by far the best looking ones I have seen recently.

[martin goddard]

I think Kallistra must be very glad this new idea came along. Unless they are overcome with demand. Their sales have probably zoomed up.

Folk who play 15mm ACW seem unaffected by this new scale and continue to buy 15mm.
I suspect there will be a  whole mass of 13.x mm stuff on ebay in 1 years time? 
But then I am not close or that interested in buyers or players of that scale, so my ignorance is quite big.


martin

[Sean Clark]

I think the big pull was the huge amount of basic troop types for not very much money at all. However, funding the other necessary bits is very expensive if using Warlord. As you say Martin, Kallistra may have seen a spike in ACW sales. Which is OK if you like all of your Union troops in full backpack.

[Leman (Andy)]

Erm..........if using the Warlord figures then all your Union troops are not going to be in full backpacks. As I understand it people are supplementing the Epic stuff with things like Kallistra cavalry, guns, limbers, zouaves and so on. It is no surprise that Kallistra has just produced a range of ACW wagons.

[Sean Clark]

Derek,

I was referring to the Kallistra figures where the Union all have full backpacks. I've no idea what kit the Warlord ones are carrying!

Like you have said, it's an excellent deal especially if using them for something like CWB.

[Leslie BT]

You want to be looking at 3D prints.

[Leman (Andy)]

None of the Warlord infantry have backpacks. About 50:50 with and without blanket roll and 50:50 with and without kepi. Consequently they all have a late war look. and can be painted as Union or Confederate. In reality I think they are ideal for the Western theatre more so than eastern, but my PP units are already western and based quite differently, so the Yanks from Warlord get 90% black hats for the eastern theatre. 30 odd years ago this would really have concerned me. Now life's too short to be bothered by such trifles.

[Sean Clark]

I really liked the look of the Kallistra figures and a few years ago contemplated using them for Fire and Fury.

But all of them carrying backpacks put me off. The ACW is the only period where one might accuse me of been a rivet counter. More specifically, a spoke counter.

I'm more than happy to use one PzIV as any variant. The only difference I can tell is whether it has a long or a short barrel.

[Steve E]

Don't get Sean started on ACW jackets 😱😉😂😂

[Leman (Andy)]

To be honest accurately depicted wargame models are a joy to paint, but at the end of the day, when you have two largish armies out on the table, an extra three or four inches on a smaller than 15mm Confederate jacket just doesn't really show. Sometimes even PP can make slight errors, as also Osprey. I had my Belgian WWI infantry and my Osprey MAA showing exactly how to paint them, but then came across a little bit of info added to the Osprey, evidently after the artwork commission had been completed, i.e. the shelter tent strapped around the backpack was discontinued in 1913. Well my 1914 Belgians never got that message, and still look great for all that.

[Moggy]

Slowly getting on with the Warlord Games ACE troops but running into a minor issue. Running out of command base figures. Each sprue can make 10-12 bases (if you use the left over figures - I use 2 strips of 4 troops so 2 figs left over).  Ok, not read the rules yet but from what martin said a unit would be 6-7 or so bases.   

Have received a pack of their command pack giving me enough to base up (pack contains 6 Standard bearers 7 drummers, 9 officers, 4 mounted standard bearers and 4 mounted command figures).  Quite nice miniatures but definitely 12,mm figs!

Small looking against the warlord ones.




However, if placed on a stirrer (no advertising for which coffee shop it came from). I think it looks reasonable size wise.




What do you reckon guys? Phone camera does NOT do well with close ups


derek

[Moggy]

Here is a piccy of the warlord next to a PP fig I have handy.




To me they just don't look right together. Yes I know he has an RPG (no reference to the discussion on the AK board). Anyway, I have a Union and a Confed pack so that will be plenty.  Was lookibng at doing mainly the cav from Kallistra using their 6 for 5 deal (pack has 16 cav or 32 dismounted) with Pony wars in mind more than anything else.

Wanted to get a pack to see the cav size but as the command pack has cav in it killed 2 issues with 1 pack.

Derek

[Moggy]

26 bases done ready for a dunk in Fat Wally's magic wash then base texturing and putting flags on.   OH god, I had forgotten how tedious doing mass armies was!

Derek

[Sean Clark]

They're quite a different proposition to the likes of an AK47 army.

I have to disagree with Les on the uniforms. OK, from 3 feet away, the difference between a sack coat and a shell jacket might not be noticeable. But for this is a detail you can get away with in 6mm, but not anything 10mm and above.

Its a bit like saying a Panzer IV will make do as a Panther. Not sure many gamers would happily do this. I understand if we're talking a strap or a belt. But a different coat altogether would be unacceptable in my own armies.

That's not to say I'd ever criticise anyone else mixing these things up. I'd happily play you if your Rebs are in sack coats. It's purely my own pecadillo.