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Rules => AK47 Republic => Topic started by: Sean Clark on July 01, 2021, 03:55:06 PM

Title: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on July 01, 2021, 03:55:06 PM
Reflecting on previous AK days at Brixcon back in day, I was reminded that attendees would often bring along a tables worth of scenery, and some would build a custom piece, such as a volcano, a football pitch or a hotel.

Once numbers are more settled, we'll know how many tables worth of scenery we will need. But perhaps players could look at making something unique for the day to add to the table.

It would need to fit into one of the terrain types but other than that let your imagination run riot!

A crocodile infested swamp?
A security compound?
A colonial mansion?
A golf course/tennis courts?
A large rocky prominence with a mine entrance?

I can't promise a prize, but you'll have the enduring heartfelt thanks of all who take part for making the day something really special.
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Jimmy James on July 01, 2021, 05:52:34 PM
Grand idea. I'm in.
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on July 01, 2021, 09:24:17 PM
My Benign Dictator, from a neighbouring land, may well bring some of his pet crocodiles along with him on his "friendship tour" of uMbongo. There could be some good feeding for the little beasties if things do turn hostile...

Simon
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on July 01, 2021, 10:10:45 PM
You'll need a visa for the crocs though Simon. And they ain't cheap!
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on July 01, 2021, 10:12:34 PM
Er - you try stopping them - they are not house-trained :)

Simon
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on July 02, 2021, 09:45:29 AM
Could we not visit the old rules, and use them to theme some of the table scenery? These would at least establish what goes onto a table, obviously how they are set up is down to each individual game.
As the old rules used to have a list of things that needed to be included on that table ?
Then maybe we each have our own core scenery pieces each that we take to each table ?
Not looked at either set of rules for now, I can't remember how many pieces you are meant to bring ?
But let's say it's 6each ? But the old rules might state that that table needs 5 or 6 compulsory pieces so each individual would bring 3 pieces each ? To make up the 12 ? These are only arbitrary figures for now ?
Then that way we could at least then have some ideas what we need ? Then when we have established a rough number of pieces most people will need to bring to a table. Those then could be individual but relevant pieces to the game.
But remember some of the compulsory pieces are going to determine a table set up. So be careful what you bring ?
It's just a thought ?
Miles
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on July 02, 2021, 12:28:46 PM
The old rules had 'terrain descriptors' Miles, with recommendations of what that descriptor would include. We could look at that certainly. However, I want to play AK47 Reloaded as written in the book, so maybe use it as an influence to theme a table, but stick to the number of terrain pieces as per the rules - which I think is 6 pieces per player.

The idea of building something special is that it must fit one of the terrain types in the new rules - but a buidling template could be a hotel, or a football pitch could be rough ground, a mine could be a rough hill piece that sort of thing.

I'll look at the old rules later and see what we can use.
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on July 03, 2021, 06:58:17 AM
 It's just a thought , as you need to have a Start point. Knowing that the original book/rules have certain setups with a theme to each, is to me a good starting point! You always need a good foundation and structure ! Then you can make and adapt it to what you want to archive!
Yes I know this is a 2009 reloaded rules but at the same time it's still a set of rules about gaming mainly on the African Continent. Sometimes it's best to go back pick out the best bits and then improve or adapt ?
The other thing that struck me in the "old" competition was people were doing tables, yes they looked good even fabulous! with say "a fun fair" in it but the competitors were then saying what's that got to do with the game ? Or how am I meant to play on that table ?
So Yes do make a special piece or two each ! But let's make sure there is a reason why that piece is there, and is a playable piece of terrain.
I am all for doing something wacky, but why is it there ?
Just make people at least think why I am doing this piece is because:??????
It makes it more believable.....
"I know let's have a fire pit in the middle of an Oil Refinery? Most people are going to say that's not going to happen, but that seemed to be the thinking or similar thinking behind some of the tables back then..."
The tables need to have some bearing on the game, at least when Martin originally set the rules out he had a "Structure" in mind hence why he laid these out in the original set of rules.
Miles
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on July 03, 2021, 08:46:53 AM
Well said. I played on a table at Brixcon labelled Toy Town, with buildings made out of wooden blocks from a toy shop. It breaks the immersion and believability for me. I can easily justify a tennis court or a crocodile infested swamp, but a table that looks like Noddy and Big Ears might appear at any point is a bit much.
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: martin goddard on July 03, 2021, 11:02:29 AM
It did "wander" a lot Sean.


martin :)
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on July 03, 2021, 12:41:17 PM
Oh no - I was just putting the finishing touches to Noddy's car (rotors, and a final pair of wire-guided missile launchers...)  ;)

Simon
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Jimmy James on July 03, 2021, 02:44:40 PM
Just been for a mooch around Wilko's up the precinct and seen that their dinner placemats are 8" x 11.5" which sounds to me just about the right size for a double-template piece. Nice and sturdy and won't warp or crease either. I'll get me thinking-cap on...
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on July 03, 2021, 02:57:53 PM
Quote from: Julian Bonny on July 03, 2021, 01:28:41 PM
sean, when we do hand in our Army list for the AK day ?

here's my carrier allowance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6YE4PCRNwc

Julian

I've not considered this Julian! I'm tempted to say we're all gentlemen and can be trusted to play with a straight bat. None of this reverse sweep of a full length out winger 😂

I may reconsider closer to, but for now I'm not worrying about it.
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smoking gun on July 03, 2021, 08:41:09 PM
Hi Julian,
Page 50 Scenery; four objectives can be road entraces, crossroad, buildings, and hills.

I hope that helps, best wishes,
Martin Buck
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smoking gun on July 03, 2021, 08:55:38 PM
Quote from: Jimmy James on July 03, 2021, 02:44:40 PM
Just been for a mooch around Wilko's up the precinct and seen that their dinner placemats are 8" x 11.5" which sounds to me just about the right size for a double-template piece. Nice and sturdy and won't warp or crease either. I'll get me thinking-cap on...
,

Jimmy, I've been using placemats as terrain bases for years, the mdf ones with cork backing and a pretty picture on the upper side. I peel the plastic laminate off and rough the paper up a bit to "key" the surface for glue. The cork backing helps stop them sliding around. They are easily cut to size using a hand or powered saw. I get them from charity shops or car boot sales for very little money.

Best wishes,
Martin Buck
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Jimmy James on July 03, 2021, 11:11:17 PM
Quote from: Smoking gun on July 03, 2021, 08:55:38 PM
Jimmy, I've been using placemats as terrain bases for years, the mdf ones with cork backing and a pretty picture on the upper side. I peel the plastic laminate off and rough the paper up a bit to "key" the surface for glue. The cork backing helps stop them sliding around. They are easily cut to size using a hand or powered saw. I get them from charity shops or car boot sales for very little money.

Best wishes,
Martin Buck

This is good & useful insight Martin, v.much appreciated!
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on July 03, 2021, 11:46:01 PM
Quote from: Julian Bonny on July 03, 2021, 09:04:37 PM
Yes martin, but a double template can not be an objective
Julian

Agreed. Perhaps cut the place mat in half!?
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Jimmy James on July 29, 2021, 12:07:50 PM
Righty then - think I'll produce some rough hills (will build something significant on top of one - transmitter or satellite dish maybe - to serve as an objective) to bring along. Also considering building some class of Memorial Arch (think a v dismal and shonkily-created Marble Arch knockoff) as well - might be do-able in a standard building terrain footprint...
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on July 29, 2021, 12:13:13 PM
That's the ticket James!

I'll be doing a couple myself. Possibles I have come up with so far are:

1. A second hand car lot acting as woods.
2. A crocodile infested swamp acting as Marsh.
3. A Dr Evils lair built into a double template rocky hill with missile launcher.
4. The Presidential Palace as buildings, with associated Tennis courts and gardens acting as rough terrain.
5. An airfield with airport terminal.
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on July 29, 2021, 12:32:54 PM
I can cover the crocs, if you like, Sean. As Papa Whisky says: "why travel without one?"

Simon
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smoking gun on July 29, 2021, 02:50:04 PM
I've got a Ironclad Miniatures shanty church (15-shanty7) with a goat. Also some mine buildings (HO scale) which might have too big a foot print, I'll have to measure and see if they will fit the template.

Best wishes,
Martin Buck
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on July 29, 2021, 10:03:56 PM
I dont think templates are absolutely prescriptiuve. Half an A4 size piece of paper, so 8x5 with some wiggle room either way is fine. The rule of cool trumps anything.
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on July 30, 2021, 03:07:56 AM
A5 size, but when reloaded came out we were already using the 12 x 6 template. Which I think is the size Martin was going for ?
If the templates aren't together then you must be able to get a "template or footprint" of two 30 x30 bases together, long ways or wide ways between templates.
Miles
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on July 30, 2021, 06:30:18 AM
Julian,

Without wishing to be pedantic, A4 is A4 (i.e. an ISO standard size) and measures 210 × 297 mm. By definition (of the international standard), it is the same around the world.

The closest American equivalent is, I believe, Letter (8.5 by 11 inches).

The rules do of course allow for some variation around that half-A4 size too.

Simon

Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on July 30, 2021, 10:49:50 AM
Statement from your humble organiser

I won't be measuring any terrain templates on the day. The rule of cool will always trump any other argument. So long is it is within the spirit of the rules, I don't mind if a template is 9x4, 7x7, 8x6, or doubles of the same.

No one I know within the Peter Pig community will seek to gain some slim advantage due to an oversize or undersized template.

This event is about fun, seeing a few AK47 games in progress, and having a chance for us to meet up and enjoy each others company.

There is an implied duty that each and every participant does his or her best to ensure their opponent has a good game. This is far more important than winning.

I remember from previous games days under the old rules where people took advantage of loopholes to use periscope like helicopters, or the arguments over how many bases could be carried in an APC. Lets have none of that. I'm more interested in the back story for your army. Why are you fighting in uMbongo? What is your generals name and why does he have an obsession with crocodiles?
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on July 30, 2021, 11:33:28 AM
Spot-on Sean, thanks - that's a lovely way to frame the focus of the event and our personal duties to one another.

Those of us participating probably need to be ramping up on the back stories of our respective forces to help with that wider narrative too...

Simon
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on July 31, 2021, 10:13:52 PM
Here is a contender for one of the Presidential Palaces. But I think it has been loaned out to Mr A Vegan and delegates.
It will need a lick of paint and a bit of tidying up.
Miles
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Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on August 01, 2021, 07:08:18 AM
That's a lovely piece of Colonial grandeur, Miles!

Simon
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: martin goddard on August 01, 2021, 07:27:50 AM
I can see Julie Andrews on the porch?


martin :)
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Big Mike on August 01, 2021, 07:53:08 AM
Quote from: martin goddard on August 01, 2021, 07:27:50 AM
I can see Julie Andrews on the porch?


martin :)
Lovely voice and very wholesome!
Mike
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 07, 2021, 03:10:22 PM
Township ready to take side.....or not



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They are a little low for my tastes. I think they are probably 12 or 10mm scale but never having seen a shanty town in real life.............

Derek

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Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: martin goddard on August 07, 2021, 06:33:24 PM
Maybe  a Julie Andrews figure should feature as a collectible?
Christopher Plummer in lederhosen?

martin :)
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on August 08, 2021, 06:45:11 AM
If you're going to do a figure for the day ? a Roger Moore type figure or at least a Mercenary in a suitable pose ? That would be very nice Please ?
For my Mansion house I ve found some very nice late 90's "expensive cars" to go outside. I just need a Tennis Court ?
A question for Martin?
What would be an acceptable size of 1 template please ? Or another way the biggest you can make 1 Template piece before it becomes a Double ? What is the official sizes please ?
As I will need to put my Mansion onto a Template.( so I can set it into a front drive ) the back Garden would have to be a separate template piece, with sports facilities?
The old days it use to be 5 x 8 inches (A5) then I think (Reloaded)it then matched up with the newer games 12 x 6. But if Martin could have the final say on this please ? Then we can start this new era of AK47 all singing from the same book, so to speak....
Miles
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on August 08, 2021, 09:46:18 AM
Miles,

Reloaded templates are 8"x6", with leeway of 1". I take this to be on either axis and can be both. So the largest template would be 9"x7", the smallest 7"x5".

Technically a double template could be 9"x14", or 18"x7". I've no real experience though of having such big templates, and maybe the maximum for a double template should be rules as written, so 8"x12" or 16"x6"?

Having said all this, I really don't want to get too prescriptive. Big Mike is looking at building an airfield. Whether that is one template or a double template, it doesn't matter because it will look excellent. It will be placed as per the rules, or however the two players choose when they sit at their table. If they mutually agree that it should be slap bang in the middle of the table, then that's fine by me.

I'll stress two points. The AK Day is not a competition. There is no prize for coming first. Secondly, the emphasis is on fun. I want all players to have two great games of AK47 win or lose. So long as both players are happy with how the game is played, I'm happy.
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Leslie BT on August 08, 2021, 11:40:24 AM
Sean you will need the wooden spoon.  Not sure who has it at the moment, perhaps Martin can remember!


Good to see that you will have the special dice Sean to decide any disputes, roll high or roll low and you have the decision!!
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on August 08, 2021, 07:07:22 PM
I ve got mounted trophies for 1st, 2 nd and wooden spoon. The first 2 are PBI related and the wooden spoon well it's the wooden spoon. Me and Colin made them up so they could be in photos of the event.
Miles
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on August 08, 2021, 07:15:58 PM
I ve just read the rules on the scenery templates. Yes A5 size. My Mansion just fits on A4 size piece of paper so will be on a double sized template then.
I think we are going to need some ideas on what you want as a table ? Because I am going to have to build something around my Mansion ? Plantation or a Mine ?(but that one is already in use ) Or Other houses or an industrial area ?
Miles
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on August 08, 2021, 08:17:40 PM
Miles,

Let your imagination run wild. I have no requirements at all. So long as the scenery is in fitting with the period and the rules, I don't mind. Plantations, tennis courts, mines, airfields all sounds great.

There are two scenarios here. Either someone brings enough scenery to share with his opponent enabling a theme to be created for the table, or players bring along 7 pieces and mixes them with his opponent as stipulated in the rules.

If someone has gone to the trouble of bringing their own scenery, they should be allowed to use it. We won't be using fixed scenery tables.

I am hoping that I'll be able to match players up so both scenarios are covered. If you don't have scenery, then I'll match you up with someone who has a whole tables worth.

If you do, likewise I'll put you with someone who has bought their own 7 pieces.

It's a bit 'chaos theory' at the moment, but I'm looking forward to seeing what people come up with.



Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Big Mike on August 08, 2021, 09:22:43 PM
Sean,
All is crystal clear. I will press on.
Mike
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smoking gun on August 08, 2021, 09:58:44 PM
Having reviewed the terrain rules I think I will use a mining facility as a theme.
Buildings are relatively easy a double of the mine-top buildings plus two single templates of storage and accommodation buildings,
Hills (both types) are product (coal or ore),
Rocky outcrops are spoil heaps,
Rough ground is also spoil but scattered around maybe with some discarded machinery,
Gully is a mine trench,
Walls are walls.
Marsh is waste water or a "sediment" type pond.

The only one I haven't thought of anything for is Woods.

Best wishes,
Martin Buck
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on August 09, 2021, 03:51:54 AM
The woods are the bits they have yet to "Destroy" sorry dig up !
Slag beeps are great to make up, you can try so many painting techniques out and nobody can say you didn't do that right ?  It's a heap of crap and waste ! How is it meant to look ?
So let's get this right if someone brings a whole tables worth of terrain then they could "theme" it ? Of course there's no guarantee that everything will be in the right place ? After Set up....
Miles
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smoking gun on August 09, 2021, 08:48:16 PM
Miles, I'm not sure about doing a whole table of terrain, I was thinking of doing around ten pieces and choosing seven from them. I'll have to see how building it goes. I do have an army to paint too, some new figures and some repaints.

Julian, I have one or two of these trucks which are missing the plough I was thinking of using. They are Scammell Mountainer trucks issued by Matchbox as "Scammell Snow Plough" from 1963 to 68 scale is 1:109 which is near enough for wargamers.


(https://i.postimg.cc/67JswcGn/16c-scammell-mountaineer-snowplow.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/67JswcGn)

Best wishes,
Martin Buck
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: martin goddard on August 09, 2021, 09:20:09 PM
I have one of those Martin.  No box, but they are still a very rare item


martin :)
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Jimmy James on August 13, 2021, 10:44:12 AM
Right I think that's the Memorial Arch done, suitably dressed up with political posters following the recent election
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Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 13, 2021, 10:46:31 AM
That looks great. Well done

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: sukhe_bator (Neil) on August 13, 2021, 10:56:21 AM
I'm not an AK-47 fan but as an advocate of good scenery these all look inspiring to creating 'period' feel. It seems to me the ubiquitous 40' shipping container in all its various guises would be a good addition to the table... they first appeared in the early C20 and became really popular in the 1960s to 1970s...
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: sukhe_bator (Neil) on August 13, 2021, 11:27:54 AM
 ;D Brilliant... an excellent BoGoF - storage AND defensive perimeter!
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: martin goddard on August 13, 2021, 11:48:17 AM
This is certainly a forum ablaze.  Wonderful work chaps :)


martin
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on August 13, 2021, 12:43:21 PM
The memorial arch is wonderful!

Julian,

Where did you get the shipping contrainers from?
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 13, 2021, 01:34:20 PM
Another item done. The goats at the back are at the insistence of the wife.  Sometime she does have good ideas.




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Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Jimmy James on August 13, 2021, 01:45:42 PM
Thank you chaps, v kind. It is really good to see everyone's ideas and the great things being designed and made, I am looking forward to the big day, meeting everyone in the flesh so to speak and seeing the kit on the table!
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 13, 2021, 01:48:49 PM
I have a bundle of miniature tyres o its way. Going to making a rough hill of them as couldn't find enough miniature rubbish to make a dump hehe

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Hman on August 13, 2021, 04:12:17 PM
Quote from: Moggy on August 13, 2021, 01:34:20 PM
Another item done. The goats at the back are at the insistence of the wife.  Sometime she does have good ideas.

Derek


I can see it now, the objectives will be forgotten in the pitched battle to capture the Goats ;D

Howard
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Hman on August 13, 2021, 04:20:44 PM
This may also provide ideas...   North Korean statues for Africa  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHaILWPP33I)

 

Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: martin goddard on August 13, 2021, 04:36:40 PM
Think i misread the ideas given.

I have made a mime with a top hat and clown face along with a man with a knife Mansun.
Better scrap them and start again.


martin ???
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Jimmy James on August 13, 2021, 04:51:26 PM
Quote from: Julian Bonny on August 13, 2021, 01:51:12 PM
my highly expendable militia troops are very much looking forward to charging under the arch, then getting shot to pieces , failing the morale tests and then retreating back under the arch.

I see our armies train with the same tactics book!  :-\
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 16, 2021, 11:47:15 AM
Another item go near my factory. Wade through at your own risk.




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You may glow a little or cough a bit more but like cigarette advertising at the time "prevent throat scratch". (Yes they are genuine adverts of the 50's. Redacted to not show the offending item)



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Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on August 16, 2021, 12:18:09 PM
That looks suitably toxic, Derek, and quite possibly worse than the ciggies!

Simon
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Jimmy James on August 16, 2021, 11:23:08 PM
Derek, you're showing a phenomenal output of excellent kit. Lovely work!
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 16, 2021, 11:38:34 PM
Thanks.

Been turning more towards the religious force so maybe I should be the green party (extremist wing) trying to do  their bit. Do you think I can get Martin to do a Greta Thunberg miniature? or maybe a miniature Attenborough?

Already working on a scrap and tyre hill. Not sure how it is working out right now but........ hold this space.

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 17, 2021, 03:01:56 PM
So one rough hill finished


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Run out of ideas for now but something will creep into that stagnant swamp of a brain of mine.

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on August 17, 2021, 03:43:53 PM
I don't get what that is, Derek - looks like a pile of old junk to me  ;D

Simon
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 17, 2021, 04:03:51 PM
Absolutely, is that hill rough enough for you?

Kind of a theme going on here with what I making. My force is based on list 1 (Religious), except in this case the religion is environmentalism. Out to oust the foreign multi-national companies destroying this wonderful country. keep the people poor and downtrodden whilst keeping fat corrupt leaders ion their palaces and driving through marble archways in large foreign cars.

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on August 17, 2021, 05:37:59 PM
Yours sounds like a very worthy cause, Derek  ;)

Simon
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 17, 2021, 06:33:21 PM
Need a Greta Thunberg or Swampy model now hehehe
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Hman on August 17, 2021, 06:42:21 PM
Derek,

Where did you get all the tyres from? 

is a child going find all thier cars and trucks are missing tyres...  ::)

Howard

Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 17, 2021, 06:58:04 PM
Can almost hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth from here. How delightful!


No, managed to snag a bulk pack on EBAY. They are a little too large and look almost industrial sized like the ones the giant tipper trucks use but they fit the part.

derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smoking gun on August 17, 2021, 07:30:09 PM
Very nice Derek.

Best wishes,
Martin Buck
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Nick on August 17, 2021, 07:43:11 PM
I've not seen a hill like that before!
Well done.

Nick
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 17, 2021, 10:51:02 PM
Not seen pictures of landfill?

If I could have got miniature carrier bags and plastic lemonade bottle I would have done one with that as well. Going to have to monitor what we are putting in the bin over the next few weeks to see what I can come up with. Make it my own personal recycling project maybe.

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on August 18, 2021, 03:09:57 AM
Quote:"Kind of a theme going on here with what I making. My force is based on list 1 (Religious), except in this case the religion is environmentalism. Out to oust the foreign multi-national companies destroying this wonderful country. keep the people poor and downtrodden whilst keeping fat corrupt leaders ion their palaces and driving through marble archways in large foreign cars."

To be honest this could be applied to the British at the moment? Just about anywhere in the world ? Seemingly at this time !

But we are talking pre year 2000? Before the world burns and the computers go "bang" ?
Miles
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 21, 2021, 12:11:56 PM
Another bit done.
(https://i.postimg.cc/K3xy9s3Q/DSC-0011-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K3xy9s3Q)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ykfkZ022/DSC-0012-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ykfkZ022)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CR3MG77r/DSC-0013-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CR3MG77r)

Couldn't resist buying the tower once I had seen it. They also do a top section with a radar dome on it. May buy that as a separate item some day.

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 21, 2021, 01:12:47 PM
Leaving sweet treats in the background is always a ploy to attract favourable comments!   

;)

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on August 21, 2021, 07:29:36 PM
Very nice, Derek. Can you please remind us where you got the tower from?

Simon
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on August 21, 2021, 10:09:07 PM
Very nice work.
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 21, 2021, 11:13:27 PM
Hi Simon

Not bad for under a tenner including the postage.

On EBAY by seller 3dprintstudio.

I will give the link but this may not work as accessed through my EBAY account.  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/383721053556?hash=item59578e9d74:g:K~wAAOSwcNJfYK3d

Hope this helps

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Jimmy James on August 22, 2021, 12:57:18 AM
By eck that knocks my plans into a cocked hat, lovely work there fella!
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on August 22, 2021, 11:47:17 AM
Thanks Derek, that link worked well.

What a great price - he's practically giving them away.

Simon
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Leslie BT on August 22, 2021, 11:52:54 AM
Great find, shame about the price for me.
Model £2.95.
Postage £10.68.
Tax £4.49

Price £18.12

Won't be getting one at that price even though its a cracking model.
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on August 22, 2021, 12:10:59 PM
Maybe someone can pick one up for you Les to collect in the UK?
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Leslie BT on August 22, 2021, 12:15:40 PM
Have to talk Ralph into putting some resin into his 3D printer that's in its box unopened gathering dust.
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on August 22, 2021, 02:40:06 PM
I was scratching my head but thought better of asking the question.
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: martin goddard on August 23, 2021, 09:45:34 AM
Fat Frank roads and linear bits are all very good. They are a good price too.
I recommend a storage box that can keep them flat and un-molested.
They will then last for years.
They are made on/out of rubber sheet but the covering is not as flexible as the rubber. This is the only cause of breaking.

I have roads from him and they are very good indeed. Usually 12" lengths.

martin :)
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 27, 2021, 04:44:03 PM
Another suitably industrial building ready to be based.


(https://i.postimg.cc/JyH86yxP/DSC-0036-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JyH86yxP)

The stack is completely free standing.

(https://i.postimg.cc/K1wj8hsp/DSC-0037-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K1wj8hsp)

Bill Posters is innocent!

Bonus points if anyone can name the actual posters country of origin (yes they are real ones!)


Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on August 27, 2021, 06:03:43 PM
No idea on their origin, but they look great to me!
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 27, 2021, 06:05:43 PM
Once based it will have a fence around the other three sides hence not being grafititied


Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 28, 2021, 10:33:55 AM
That's one of them. Couldn't resist using it as well.

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Jimmy James on August 28, 2021, 11:48:29 PM
Good usage imo mate. No idea who the other lad is though!!!
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 29, 2021, 12:22:57 PM
All original posters


(https://i.postimg.cc/9DgXZLww/EFF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9DgXZLww)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jnht5cr5/metsimahaholo.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jnht5cr5)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0b894TpJ/protest.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0b894TpJ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/sQdr4qjx/revolution.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sQdr4qjx)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ygmzQjxP/vote-anc.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ygmzQjxP)
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Bankinista on August 29, 2021, 03:52:57 PM
The difference between scenery setups in the old and new rules seems to be that the new rules are far more prescriptive. The old rules gave a more general idea of what the scenery should be like. Ideal to allow for different table sizes. For example the same 6 scenic items could be lost or crowded depending on table size. (Particularly true at Brixcon with its 4x4 foot tables. Examples attached. As usual any comments on ownership welcome.)


(https://i.postimg.cc/R6w1k4p1/Brixcon-l.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/R6w1k4p1)

(https://i.postimg.cc/sGyPyqbk/Brixcon-m.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sGyPyqbk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/fJR29Sg6/That-Dam-again.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fJR29Sg6)

As for toytown - let's just say I took no photo's of it.

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 29, 2021, 06:46:46 PM
Quote from: Julian Bonny on August 29, 2021, 12:27:41 PM
Thats quality Derek. How do you make the thing to put on the model ?
Julian

Googled how to overlay photos and found many free sites to do it. Saved the picture at a larger scale then just reduced the size until it fit the building side. Pretty simple solution really.

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 30, 2021, 12:00:50 PM
Yep, another piece done. Decided to clad this building in "wriggly tin" for that run down look.


(https://i.postimg.cc/QVT2STHx/DSC-0041-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QVT2STHx)

(https://i.postimg.cc/3yN6Gysh/DSC-0042-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3yN6Gysh)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gLVBp3ZV/DSC-0043-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gLVBp3ZV)

Running out of inspiration a bit but away later this week for a few days. Who knows what I will dream up or "find" to add to stuff!


Cheers

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on August 30, 2021, 12:47:01 PM
Very nice, Derek.

Looks a bit posh for AK47!

Simon
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on August 30, 2021, 12:59:31 PM
Not when you see it close up. Have some chain link fencing on its way to add around the storage area and the smaller building with the chimney.

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on September 07, 2021, 03:40:55 PM
A few more bits finished now.


(https://i.postimg.cc/6TQyWrQt/DSC-0055-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6TQyWrQt)

(https://i.postimg.cc/30y8gZyG/DSC-0053-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/30y8gZyG)

(https://i.postimg.cc/N5MJkzfS/DSC-0052-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N5MJkzfS)

and the last bit for a gully


(https://i.postimg.cc/ftyDNvfP/DSC-0051-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ftyDNvfP)



(https://i.postimg.cc/1VSBFv7C/DSC-0050-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1VSBFv7C)

Just need to get a game now. LOL

Cheers

Derek



Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on September 07, 2021, 04:08:36 PM
Great job, Derek!

I particularly like the factory, which is very nice indeed.

And the leaking oil is suitably yuck. I'm surprised that anyone thought to put a bund around the pumping station - your country must be highly developed!

Simon
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on September 07, 2021, 04:20:27 PM
Pipeline is underground (slightly) need a place to put some valves and sh*t. Also made a handy dumping ground. Make a reasonable gully I think

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on September 07, 2021, 09:34:15 PM
Excellent work Derek. I'm a out to embark on my own scenery build, having cut some old hardboard up into appropriate sized template pieces.
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on September 07, 2021, 10:21:47 PM
Sean, I would suggest just getting plastic sheeting. Its only a couple of quid per A4 sheet and far easier to work with than hardboard. Many companies do it and it is readily available from EBAY. Also a lot cheaper than a modelling shop that way.

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on September 07, 2021, 11:42:14 PM
Yes I think I'll try it Derek. Martin G uses plastic for his basing of scenery.

Is there a particular thickness?
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on September 08, 2021, 01:08:58 PM
The last lot I got was 1.5mm and seems a little "bendy". I would think 2 or 3mm would be better although the 3mm stuff I used was a bit of a bugger to cut to shape and file down the edges.

Pays yer money and takes yer choise!

Also what I have found is using clear perspex/plastic allows you to paint the underneath and retain a degree of depth when right way up. Just a little dry brush and you have a water surface and a river/pond bed.

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Jimmy James on September 08, 2021, 02:55:30 PM
Handsome job of that! Lovely stuff Derek.
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on September 20, 2021, 12:29:35 PM
Another bit done. Could also be used for western/ponywars.



Derek


(https://i.postimg.cc/s1pdqGd8/DSC-0068-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/s1pdqGd8)
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on September 21, 2021, 04:39:06 PM
Objective markers done. Think they will stand out enough?




Derek
(https://i.postimg.cc/crch7x4v/DSC-0080-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/crch7x4v)
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: martin goddard on September 21, 2021, 04:49:53 PM
Are those soaps Derek?


martin :)
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on September 21, 2021, 05:12:48 PM
Pack of about a dozen of those for a quid in "The Works". Pure polystyrene. I think they are great.

derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on September 21, 2021, 05:13:56 PM
Now my Bonfire ash has cooled given the trees a go. Slash and burn anyone?


(https://i.postimg.cc/hzyc6znf/DSC-0081-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hzyc6znf)


Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on September 21, 2021, 05:17:47 PM
Quote from: Julian Bonny on September 21, 2021, 05:08:01 PM
Derek , for some reason, when i look at your armies and scenery it takes me back to holidays in Devon when i was a child and playingon the beach. :)

Julian


The Woolliscombe sand has dried out and the Combe Martin sand is almost there. Huge difference for 11.2 miles.

Ok, once its dried will do something on here about the different sands I have collected to use. Think its about 6 or so different lots.

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on September 23, 2021, 01:56:16 PM
THink this might be the final pieces finished. May still do a scrapyard but that all depends on time and interest. Starting to get a little jaded with scenary lol. Actually I have to do a count up on how many pieces I have. Lost count


(https://i.postimg.cc/XXPLkDf5/DSC-0082-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XXPLkDf5)


(https://i.postimg.cc/R6D7GNHm/DSC-0084-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/R6D7GNHm)

Just right for some desecrated woods or are they more suitable to have a wicked witch and some monsters to hide in?



Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on September 23, 2021, 02:34:47 PM
Either option is good!
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on September 23, 2021, 02:45:03 PM
While searching the shed for a secure box to put all this stuff in stumbled across the terrain I made for Western and Sudan rules. Should fit in well enough so will probably be able to do around 20 (ish) templates worth. Maybe more.

Will be bringing it anyway just in case someone needs something.

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: martin goddard on September 23, 2021, 03:00:30 PM
I won't be able to encourage my militia into that Derek.  Hostile scenery = -1.

martin :)
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on September 23, 2021, 03:06:32 PM
At least, any Militia entering will be eaten. But no VP for opponent.  Ideal for putting behind advancing troops so they can retreat into it.



OK Martin suggested it so local rule imposed ........... LOL.   Does that also count for any foot troops trying to walk across my sludge pit?

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on September 23, 2021, 03:10:35 PM
Hmmm, just had another thought about the burnt woods. Maybe with some snow and winterising they would be good for northern Russia/Finland or winter on the steppes? Or possibly Cretan trees?

Just as well I have loads of wire left over. Maybe yet another how it did it article brewing.


Get AK day out of the way first I think.

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on September 23, 2021, 03:24:27 PM
Yes my work will be continuing up to the deadline. Good job I work well under the pressure of a deadline!

Game on Tuesday with Dene at the Burton club.
Unsure which army to take yet, probably one of the unclaimed ones, like People's Revolt with all Militia.
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Moggy on September 23, 2021, 04:19:52 PM
Maybe my Religious leader (nutcase?) will turn to canibalism!

Derek
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on September 28, 2021, 05:09:48 PM
All my buildings for the 'Outskirts of Kalabya' table, prepped and ready for undercoating.


(https://i.postimg.cc/1fFg8xfG/IMG-20210928-165457.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1fFg8xfG)
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on September 28, 2021, 05:15:34 PM
Are those mainly John Banks MDF buildings ? Very nice fellow to deal with.
Miles
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on September 28, 2021, 05:43:54 PM
Right does anyone need any terrain pieces ? Tell me by the end of the weekend please. Because Monday I am packing up what I need.
Also any Figures and vehicles ?
Miles
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: DorchesterBede on September 30, 2021, 10:00:52 AM
Miles

Could I borrow the following:

3 x trucks (liability unit)
4 x transports
1 x bodyguard
6 x Regulars/professionals small arms   (preferably black troops in the same coloured berets - being a bit fussy I know)

on top of the above

3 x 6 sided dice with only 1,2 & 3s - for my moral tests dice
3x 6 sided dice with only 5 & 6s - for my shooting dice 
Blindfold for my opponents on the day.

Thanks

Chris

Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on September 30, 2021, 11:04:33 AM
Quote from: DorchesterBede on September 30, 2021, 10:00:52 AM
Miles

Could I borrow the following:

3 x trucks (liability unit)
4 x transports
1 x bodyguard
6 x Regulars/professionals small arms   (preferably black troops in the same coloured berets - being a bit fussy I know)

on top of the above

3 x 6 sided dice with only 1,2 & 3s - for my moral tests dice
3x 6 sided dice with only 5 & 6s - for my shooting dice 
Blindfold for my opponents on the day.

Thanks

Chris

Chris,

Have you settled on the interventionist army?

Also, I'll be testing all dice in a bowl of water. This may upset some, but there is a lot at stake 🤣
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: DorchesterBede on September 30, 2021, 12:41:52 PM
Sean

Yes list six Communist Intervention army - what could possibly go wrong my comrades from Cuba won't let me down.

Down with the imperialists.
Down with crypto imperialists
Down with neo  imperialists.
Don't mention my villa in Cannes and my Swiss bank accounts.

Power to the People.

Chris
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Sean Clark on September 30, 2021, 01:59:30 PM
That's the spirit!
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on September 30, 2021, 02:29:34 PM
Yes Chris I will sort those out over the weekend. Do you want the same Liability Trucks that made an appearance in the "Rule Set" ? Or I can give you 3 Chinese made Artics. Being longer the would in theory cross the table quicker ? LoL
Miles
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on September 30, 2021, 02:33:13 PM
Chris. Now do you want 6 small arms Regular and 6 small arms Professional? Or 6 of one ? As my regulars and professional are marked differently?
And 4 trucks ? For transportation.
Miles
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: DorchesterBede on October 03, 2021, 09:51:06 AM
Miles

Six small arms regulars would be great, the liability trucks that made an appearance in the rule set would be good their celebrity status can only add to their kudos.  $ transport trucks to assist some militia should their arrival be delayed.

'All men are created equal, just some more so than others - Power to the People'.
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on October 04, 2021, 05:25:11 PM
I will get you the figures and vehicles you wish to use.
Miles
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on October 04, 2021, 06:37:20 PM
Chris are these Satisfactory for you ?
Miles
(https://i.postimg.cc/kRvJJRW0/0-B07-A45-E-9781-4-CC0-9-E6-B-7-D187-B5868-BF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kRvJJRW0)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QVQxkwvf/9-DABE30-E-FCF9-4479-A3-A3-A8-D915-B812-FB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QVQxkwvf)
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: DorchesterBede on October 05, 2021, 07:02:35 AM
Miles

They look perfect thanks for bringing them along see you 0530 Saturday morning.

Chris
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on October 05, 2021, 08:18:32 AM
Thats 6 trucks as pictured in the AK47 rule book.
See you Saturday Morning.
Miles
Title: Re: AK Day Terrain
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on October 05, 2021, 11:08:47 AM
Based on Syrian/Russian camouflage of the 1990's if I rightly recall ?
Gives them that 'all round' theatre camo.
Miles