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[Stewart 46A]

I agree with Miles and John
CWB & AWI SHOUD NOT be graded, great rule sets as they , please leave them alone.

PITS would work better on a grid (I think)

Stewart

[Moggy]

Couldn't the Washington Armies rules be adjusted or Adopted to do the French Indian wars ? As a lot of the figures are in place ?
Or even the Pirate land rules be adapted?
I am no expert on this period at all ? But it's all about the same time ?
Miles

I did quite a bit of work on this already Miles.  French Indian wars will work but it need serious liberties to be taken with the Washingtons Armies rules.  Main problem is the lack of pitched battles and that the land had been mainly cleared by the time of Washington. At the time of the FIW it was almost ALL heavily wooded or wild.

Apart from the later stages when the British started taking it seriously it was more raiding, ambush and counter ambush using First Nation and local militias as much as possible.

I will turn my attentions back to it sometime this year.

Derek

[John Watson]

I think Derek is working on a French Indian wars variant. Well said Miles and I agree with you entirely.
John

[Paul in NZ]

Robin Hood sounds interesting, I'd be interested in some 13th/14th Century men at arms, archers and knights... plus plenty of villagers to tax.

[martin goddard]

Those villagers need to know their place and that means no hunting or shouting at my tax collectors. God gave me this position and he wants me to persecute the poor.

I fought in the King's war and now have only two sticks to rub together.
Maybe the commoners should have rights?  Maybe not?

martin

[Sean Clark]

I think you mean the commoners should have tights.

No where to hide a sneaky dagger.

[Leman (Andy)]

Oh Paul, Robin Hood is so C12th. King Richard died before 1200 rolled around. Simon de Montfort is a much better bet for the C13th, or Edward I's wars.

[Paul in NZ]

Yup very true Richard I died in 1199, still happy with a range of figures I could use for fantasy games as well.

On the Napoleonics why not expand the Pirate ranges so they could be used for Marlburian battles only need a few additional figures I.e. drummers and cavalry etc.

[Leman (Andy)]

This is an interesting idea, especially as Peter Pig figures look so good on the wargames table. However, unlike many figure manufacturers, the Peter Pig ranges are almost exclusively linked to RFCM rules. Thus, if that policy is continued, there would need to be a set of rules for the Marburian period and the FIW. So this raises an interesting discussion point: should there be Peter Pig figure ranges unrelated to RFCM rules? I think this may be why the Renaissance range was sold. There were no accompanying rules, which made it something of an oddity.

[martin goddard]

You are right Andy.
The renaissance range was made to co operate with the Pike and shot society. They were to produce a set of rules called Maximilian (1987?)

It fizzled out a bit and the range did not sell well.

It had about 14 packs in the range. Including guns and a wagon.

martin

[Paul in NZ]

I suppose a few tweaks to the AWI rules could incorporate FIW and Marlborough at a push.

Although if we are considering Napoleonic Siege then instead of a new range it would be a few additions using the existing range and fits nicely into the same period. 

Plus it could mean an expanded pirate raid rule set with larger sieges and a great island hopping campaign if you stick to the Caribbean. 

[Moggy]

From the research I had done there was only minor differences in the uniforms worn during the the AWI and the FWI apart from a few of the hats had changed completely.

Bear in mind that the FWI is just an extension of the Seven Years war that was being fought out over the years as far away as India alongside America and some in North Africa and the Caribbean. I like to think of it as the true First World War.  Its just that a lot of school history books tend to treat them as completely seperate entities and we mainly carry on with those misconceptions.

I feel the core of the AWI rules would work for the European SYW fighting but would need some harsh tweaking. Certainly in regard to how the armies approached each other prior to first volleys etc. No more long snaking lines of troops.  Form up the army at the agreed time then slowly walk towards each other sort of thing. Stop at 50-75 yards and let rip. More like the Napoloeonic style of fighting.

Also no militia or Indians involved.

Derek

[John Watson]

I believe that SYW European armies and Malburian armies were a great deal larger than AWI armies.
John

[martin goddard]

My thoughts would be more PITS than WA?

martin

[Sean Clark]

PITS suits my idea of how a FIW game would play out. There weren't too many set piece battles.

Last of the Mohicans portrays the kind of thing nicely.

Of course, a gridded PITS would be even better to adapt to the FIW.

Maybe, if PITS* gets gridded**, someone could write a variant and include it in the Mill?

I look forward to Derek's work on WA to fight the Plains of Abraham and Wolfe at Quebec!


*sorry for all of the three letter acronyms!

**I make no assumptions that this will happen. But it would be nice 😊