Getting a Carrier Force together in the new PBI.

[Sean Clark]

I'm not sure on the answer other than to say I  sure it can be resolved by classing transports into one of the two categories.

As to carrying capacity, I'm not sure. Does it say in the current Architect? I don't think it'll be vastly different. How many were used in reality?

I'm really ignorant of this kind of granular detail as to WW2 TO&E. I'll always bow to those more knowledgeable than me.

[Smiley Miley 66]

Myself and Simon have had sensible discussions and debate on this over the afternoon and we think we have come up with the answers.
After reading both the current rules also looking at the current company architect and come up with a reasonable solutions.
We have raised a couple of simple questions which will hopefully be resolved in a simple manor.
Miles.

[Sean Clark]

Sorted!

Are you planning on playing PBI at the Weekender? If so I'll bring down my Germans!

[Stewart 46A]

Hi Miles
I believe the last thought was that a base with 2 universal carriers on (carry 4 inf bases)
Would be the same has a US M3 or German 250

Hope that helps

Stewart

[Colonel Kilgore]

Hi Miles
I believe the last thought was that a base with 2 universal carriers on (carry 4 inf bases)
Would be the same has a US M3 or German 250

Hope that helps

Stewart

That's indeed where we got to, thanks Stewart.

Simon

[Smiley Miley 66]

Thanks Stewart, as Simon say that's where we got to.
Could be anything upto 8 models, for the Bren Carrier platoon plus the other vehicles for the other platoons.
This would include a number of Half track models and/or Kangaroo models around about 4 models per platoon.
Would look impressive on the table.
Miles

[Nigel_s]

Hi Miles

Is there a TO&E for a DUKE carrier company you could translate into PBI points?

I agree that you'd point then as an armoured transport with MG. Looking at photos online a max capacity of four foot bases as per rules seems ok.

I'd probs carry a section (3 bases) in each with the PC added to one.

Universal Carriers ive always tested as two vehicle models count as one transport and can carry four bases - as per current PBI. I count them as armoured transport, no MG.

There is a carrier platoon included with one of the British lists in the CA.

So for a mobile force i'd just use the motorised company from CA but use kangaroos instead of 1/2 tracks. With one platoon in carriers - two vehicles counting as one transport - i have two carrier models on one base.

You could point the kangaroo differently to represent it having more armour than a halftrack. Armour 7 instead of 4. Use the points builder in the rules, or just call it 14 points (on basis armour 4 1/2 track is . But tbh as they are open tipped and intended to be used as transport not assault i'd tear them as transports as per the new rules.

So it doesn't seem too tricky to create a mobile late War company.

CC in white scout car or dingo
X1 PN carrier (10-12 bases in 8 carrier models)
X2 PN in kangaroo (10-12 bases in 3 kangaroo models
And some shermans, or cromwells.

I haven't read back through the whole thread so if I've missed a key point i'm sorry.

[Smiley Miley 66]

I agree with what your thinking, but personally I would just substitute the Kageroos for Half tracks as the "carriers aren't going to be on the table forever and it's a lot of points to "waste"( the modified tanks and SPGs were never intended to fight, just keep keep up with the mobile forces and hopefully survive longer !) I would have an MG on each Bren carrier "stand" as for most Armoured carriers for the couple of turns you might want to use them supporting the platoon getting to the target area ?
Yes they are never used in the Assault but they can be used to lay down fire either at the intended target or supporting squares around the target ? Those extra few hits might cause causalities or pinning that will help a lot in the long run ?
Waterborne transport I am not quite sure how "Armoured" they were ?
But the rules now are quite simple they do allow for you to pay for them being armoured or not ? So whatever you pay that's what you use them for ! Same with being armed with or without an MG ?
The specialists vehicles would have to be paid for as an individual vehicle and kept for that scenario? With the Stuart turrets and other things ?
It is something I will look into over the course of time.
Miles

[Sean Clark]

So long as you pay the appropriate points, you can have what you want, accepting that it's either armoured or unarmoured.

So those Bren carriers would be paid for as armoured with MGs which is absolutely fine and straight forward.

[Smiley Miley 66]

I think we got there in the end.
Miles