AVRE

[Moggy]

But are you going to factor in the chances of the DD tank sinking before it gets to the beach. Seem to recall this was pretty significant and had a high chance of happening.

The 741st Tank Battalion had 32 DD tanks, of which 29 were launched (at the maximum distance from shore) and 27 of them sank as they battled the high winds and heavy seas. Two made it, and three more were put ashore directly onto the beach.

So maybe a 1 chance in 15 to get to the beach on time. Roll 2D6 12 need to arrive??

Derek

[Smiley Miley 66]

Well if you count the ones that don't reach the beach they would be classed as anything except causalities of war.
If you do your reading a lot of British ones were kept on the landing craft and dropped on the beach itself?
So these are the ones that then count.
So when we talk about the tanks on the beach we mean the ones that actually made it.
Because of their training these should be counted as Veterans.
The ones in the water don't matter what you roll for them they are dead and floundering. They didn't make the game.
Miles

[Wardy64]

Churchill Main Guns in Flames Of War
Weapon   Range
ROF
Anti-tank
Firepower
Notes
OQF 6 pdr   24"/60cm   3   10   4+   
OQF 95mm CS howitzer   24"/60cm   2   7   3+   Smoke.
Firing bombardments   48"/120cm   -   4   5+   Smoke bombardment.
Petard mortar   4"/10cm   1   5   1+   Bunker buster, Demolition mortar, Slow traverse.
OQF 75mm gun   32"/80cm   2   10   3+   Semi-indirect fire, Smoke.

This is how Flames of War work the Churchill guns and distance of range. If you look in their D Day books gives a good overall read, might be of use.

In our beach landing game we threw a dice for each tank leaving the LCT, to see if it exited/landed safely.

Hope of use.

D&B

[Wardy64]

Here are the FOW rules, they are from the 'Overlord' book and has more detail. Sure you will find it online, but if stuck I have a copy.

D&B

[Smiley Miley 66]

Thanks Dave must actually look at their DDay books.
I ve just got their Italy and Cassino books out.
They are quite good reads. Not absolute but always worth a read.
Miles

[Smiley Miley 66]

Yesterday talking to Stewart and Mike, it did become clear that some people don't get why I ve been talking about Large HE guns firing against buildings ?
Some people seem to think that an "AP" round will do the job ?
Those that don't know an "AP" will go through certain things, but straight through ! Drilling a hole the same size as the round through the material it touches.
Which is ok with a tank but a building, it probably won't do the greatest of damage ?
Where as HE Blows a big wide hole across the material, which can cause it to splash then breakdown allowing the damage to spread, thus weakening a part of a building ? Which is more desirable!
So here are a couple of websites that might help explain the differences between some ammunition types and possible uses ?

http://norfolktankmuseum.co.uk/types-of-ammunition/

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2-gb-churchill-avre/

Miles

[Colonel Kilgore]

At the risk of complicating things further, at Arnhem the Germans did use AP rounds, which went through several consecutive buildings in a terrace.

This might have been because they didn't have HE / had loaded AP anyway but even AP had a detrimental effect on the defenders.

But I  realise what you're getting at Miles - particularly when it comes to reinforced concrete purpose-built defences.

Simon