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[Colonel Kilgore]

You raise a very good point, Pierre.

Perhaps they were hungry after all that talking and air brushing?

Simon

[Sean Clark]

There is also an irony in the fact he doesn't want to play Nazis and thinks it odd when people do, and then he advertises World of Warships where he can play as the Kreigsmarine.

To be clear, this person has zero impact on my hobby, but thought it a topic of debate having seen the video and the uproarthat has followed it.

[Colonel Kilgore]

Indeed, a good discussion and thanks for raising the topic, Sean.

Simon

[steve_holmes_11]

I saw the video.
The title interested me, as I think "Miniature wargaming has plenty of problems, but this isn't one of them".

I'm surprised / not surprised that the historical crowd have kicked off about it.
A combination of poor comprehension and "stoke up the drama"
It's essentially "My setting's better than your setting because more dakka, nice colours and none of that nasty history".

The original poster misses / ignores (I'll go with misses, since he seemed fairly ignorant of the historic side of the hobby) the fact that WH40K and Bolt Action are almost the same game.

He feels uncomfortable, and wants to carry on playing with his crude children's caricatures.
That's really no reason for us to get all defensive.


Now I personally don't play WW2 any more.
It was the default setting back when I had little money, lots of time and Airfix were the easily accessible supplier.
More recently I've come across several difficulties n a tabletop setting:
* The empty battlefield doesn't translate well to minis on a tabletop.
* The plethora of arms and weapon systems in WW2 create a chaotic situation, compared to Ancients (Pointy sticks for everybody) or Horse and Musket (Line up and shoot).
* All the vehicles - There's a potential habit forming "Never done" there, which won't mix well for my own shopping style.

All power to gamers who enjoy WW2; I enjoy other things more.


Maybe we should ask "has our hobby done anything to foster the view that we're all Main Kampfers?"

[Leman (Andy)]

Well the oddest thing about that video was the idea that historical wargames only take place after 1938! The other odd thing is that I find WWII games unappealing because I don't like too much technology in my games. I find Warhammer unappealing because I started wargaming before some goon decided wargaming the Lord of the Rings would be good. I could just about cope with that concept, but when Games Workshop took Tolkien's ideas and turned them into utter spherical objects I just thought nah.......So, it's back to my monochromatic Italian Wars, Seven Years War, Denmark 1848 et al.

[steve_holmes_11]

Yes, my take away wasn't "This guys dissing us historical guys".
It was "This guy has an extremely limited view of gaming, whether fantasy, sci-fi or historical".
But that's built into YouTube's "Algorithm".
Hardly grounds for a flood of misplaced reaction videos.

Everybody has opinions, but informed opinions carry a lot more value than "some rando's anecdote".


Viewers of a certain age may remember a television clip.
A young lady with a pronounced English south-west accent explains why the Bay City Rollers are beter than the Osmonds.
(I can't find a clip on the internet)

That's Midwinter Minis - that is.