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Title: Tally my bananas
Post by: martin goddard on May 13, 2025, 09:11:49 PM
Seans game= defender win
Guys game= attacker win
ASDA game= attacker win

Do add to this list any games from now on.


martin :)
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: Sean Clark on May 13, 2025, 11:27:00 PM
My game today was a massive attacker win.
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: martin goddard on May 14, 2025, 12:05:33 PM
I will use my thinking hat and come up with some ideas.

martin :)
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: martin goddard on May 15, 2025, 09:09:37 PM
Tally

Seans game= defender win
Guys game= attacker win
ASDA game= attacker win
Seans game =attacker win (big)
Exiled army game= defender win (small)

martin :)
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: Sean Clark on May 16, 2025, 01:57:24 PM
I think an issue with looking for some balance between attacker and defender wins is that there are so many variables to consider.

No two tables are the same due to the amount of choice of scenery and the placement of it. Every army is different and even if both players have the same army, the amount of choice in how you build that army means there is many ways to play with it.

Factor in the vagaries of dice and then player ability and the combinations are endless.

I think we're right to look to balance things as much as possible, particularly in how victory points are worked out for both sides, but I think it will be nearly impossible to ensure absolute balance.

Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: Sean Clark on May 19, 2025, 10:37:13 AM
Tally

Seans game= defender win
Guys game= attacker win
ASDA game= attacker win
Seans game =attacker win (big)
Exiled army game= defender win (small)
Seans game  = attacker win (big) Colonial settler
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: martin goddard on May 19, 2025, 11:48:29 AM
Agreed Sean.
With enough tinkering I think we can get the game right.

The two recent changes are the half and half foot deployment plus the defender now getting a vehicle unit.

martin :)
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: Sean Clark on May 19, 2025, 01:48:33 PM
Is there a newer version than JJ?

JJ doesn't guarantee a vehicle unit for the defender - only in circumstances.
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: martin goddard on May 19, 2025, 03:24:35 PM
It was something we talked about last week . 
I will get a KK set out tomorrow


martin :)
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: martin goddard on May 20, 2025, 09:38:08 PM
Seans game= defender win
Guys game= attacker win
ASDA game= attacker win
Seans game =attacker win (big)
Exiled army game= defender win (small)
Seans game  = attacker win (big) Colonial settler
PPHQ game(Tuesday) = Good defender win

martin :)
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: Sean Clark on May 21, 2025, 12:04:46 PM
Seans game= defender win
Guys game= attacker win
ASDA game= attacker win
Seans game =attacker win (big)
Exiled army game= defender win (small)
Seans game  = attacker win (big) Colonial settler
PPHQ game(Tuesday) = Good defender win
Sean's game = massive defender win

This last game was Exiled defending against Communist attackers. More than any bias towards attacker or defender, I'm noticing the margin of victory is typically very big in my last few games. I have had draws in the past though, so I don't think it's an issue.
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on May 22, 2025, 06:00:02 AM
Seans game= defender win
Guys game= attacker win
ASDA game= attacker win
Seans game =attacker win (big)
Exiled army game= defender win (small)
Seans game  = attacker win (big) Colonial settler
PPHQ game(Tuesday) = Good defender win
Sean's game = massive defender win
Miles. If finished it would have been Defenbers win.

End of days Government  v PPF EoDG was winning massively we run out of time, unfortunately
Miles
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: martin goddard on May 22, 2025, 08:02:34 AM
Today at 06:00:02 AM
Seans game= defender win
Guys game= attacker win
ASDA game= attacker win
Seans game =attacker win (big)
Exiled army game= defender win (small)
Seans game  = attacker win (big) Colonial settler
PPHQ game(Tuesday) = Good defender win
Sean's game = massive defender win
Miles. If finished it would have been Defenders win.
End of days Government  v PPF EoDG was winning massively we ran out of time, unfortunately
Dorchester game. 21st May.  Big attacker win.
PPHQ martin and John. 1 attacker win, one defender win.

Attacker=6   Defender=5

Keep it up chaps.


martin :)
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: martin goddard on May 22, 2025, 09:32:16 PM
Update

Seans game= defender win
Guys game= attacker win
ASDA game= attacker win
Seans game =attacker win (big)
Exiled army game= defender win (small)
Seans game  = attacker win (big) Colonial settler
PPHQ game(Tuesday) = Good defender win
Sean's game = massive defender win
Miles. If finished it would have been Defenders win.
End of days Government  v PPF EoDG was winning massively we ran out of time, unfortunately
Dorchester game. 21st May.  Big attacker win.
PPHQ martin and John. 1 attacker win, one defender win.
PPHQ. The gang. Big attacker win.

Attacker=7   Defender=5
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: John Watson on May 22, 2025, 11:25:48 PM
PPHQ Martin and John. A very enjoyable day. Martin was the perfect host. First game was a big win for the Geriatric Republic of Lumbago (PPF). The second game was a small win for the GRL although I thought I had lost. I think AK47 is as good as done.
John
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: martin goddard on May 23, 2025, 07:35:59 AM
Thanks John. The AK seems almost done?


martin :)
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: Sean Clark on May 23, 2025, 09:09:49 AM
I agree that the rules as they are now give a great game.

Of course tweaking victory points as you've mentioned is worth a try. But other than that....I say let's go!
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: martin goddard on May 23, 2025, 06:21:40 PM
Getting really close.
AK will go to print pretty soon after release, as AK has a unique place in wargaming.

martin :)
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: martin goddard on May 27, 2025, 09:55:42 PM
Seans game= defender win
Guys game= attacker win
ASDA game= attacker win
Seans game =attacker win (big)
Exiled army game= defender win (small)
Seans game  = attacker win (big) Colonial settler
PPHQ game(Tuesday) = Good defender win
Sean's game = massive defender win
Miles. If finished it would have been Defenders win.
End of days Government  v PPF EoDG was winning massively we ran out of time, unfortunately
Dorchester game. 21st May.  Big attacker win.
PPHQ martin and John. 1 attacker win, one defender win.
PPHQ. The gang. Big attacker win.
PPHQ Exiled(A) v Mercenary(D). Big defender win. martin was helping the attackers.

Attacker=7   Defender=6


martin :)
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: Stewart 46A on May 29, 2025, 10:21:10 AM
It now seams to be close to balancing up,
What about attacker having to split his vehicle units up as well as foot units

Stewart
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: martin goddard on May 29, 2025, 01:07:45 PM
That might be too complicated because many armies only field 1 unit.
Let us see how the next few games go using the rules as they are?
We can try it though.


martin :)
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: martin goddard on May 29, 2025, 09:11:37 PM
Seans game= defender win
Guys game= attacker win
ASDA game= attacker win
Seans game =attacker win (big)
Exiled army game= defender win (small)
Seans game  = attacker win (big) Colonial settler
PPHQ game(Tuesday) = Good defender win
Sean's game = massive defender win
Miles. If finished it would have been Defenders win.
End of days Government  v PPF EoDG was winning massively we ran out of time, unfortunately
Dorchester game. 21st May.  Big attacker win.
PPHQ martin and John. 1 attacker win, one defender win.
PPHQ. The gang. Big attacker win.
PPHQ Exiled(A) v Mercenary(D). Big defender win. martin was helping the attackers.
PPHQ. Exiled (D) v Colonial settlers (A). Big defender win.

Attacker=7   Defender=7

martin :)
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on May 30, 2025, 03:09:05 AM
This is quite an aggressive game. If you go for it rather than sit back, you do tend to win. If you sit on you laurels as a defender it can become a very hard game to win.
It does reward those that fight.
Miles
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: martin goddard on May 30, 2025, 07:55:46 AM
I agree Miles

martin :)
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: Sean Clark on May 30, 2025, 10:12:56 PM
Seans game= defender win
Guys game= attacker win
ASDA game= attacker win
Seans game =attacker win (big)
Exiled army game= defender win (small)
Seans game  = attacker win (big) Colonial settler
PPHQ game(Tuesday) = Good defender win
Sean's game = massive defender win
Miles. If finished it would have been Defenders win.
End of days Government  v PPF EoDG was winning massively we ran out of time, unfortunately
Dorchester game. 21st May.  Big attacker win.
PPHQ martin and John. 1 attacker win, one defender win.
PPHQ. The gang. Big attacker win.
PPHQ Exiled(A) v Mercenary(D). Big defender win. martin was helping the attackers.
PPHQ. Exiled (D) v Colonial settlers (A). Big defender win.
Sean's game: Dictatorship (D) Big win over Religious army (A)

Attacker = 7
Defender = 8
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: Sean Clark on June 14, 2025, 11:55:40 AM
Seans game= defender win
Guys game= attacker win
ASDA game= attacker win
Seans game =attacker win (big)
Exiled army game= defender win (small)
Seans game  = attacker win (big) Colonial settler
PPHQ game(Tuesday) = Good defender win
Sean's game = massive defender win
Miles. If finished it would have been Defenders win.
End of days Government  v PPF EoDG was winning massively we ran out of time, unfortunately
Dorchester game. 21st May.  Big attacker win.
PPHQ martin and John. 1 attacker win, one defender win.
PPHQ. The gang. Big attacker win.
PPHQ Exiled(A) v Mercenary(D). Big defender win. martin was helping the attackers.
PPHQ. Exiled (D) v Colonial settlers (A). Big defender win.
Sean's game: Dictatorship (D) Big win over Religious army (A)
Sean's game: Colonial (A) 25pts to People's Popular Front 9pts. Big attacker win.
ASDA   Stewart(A)v Dennis/Mike.   attacker win.
ASDA  martin(A) v Ben (D). Defender win
PPHQ Mike (A)  v Ben (D). Defender win.

Attacker = 9
Defender = 10
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: martin goddard on June 21, 2025, 05:57:05 PM
Seans game= defender win
Guys game= attacker win
ASDA game= attacker win
Seans game =attacker win (big)
Exiled army game= defender win (small)
Seans game  = attacker win (big) Colonial settler
PPHQ game(Tuesday) = Good defender win
Sean's game = massive defender win
Miles. If finished it would have been Defenders win.
End of days Government  v PPF EoDG was winning massively we ran out of time, unfortunately
Dorchester game. 21st May.  Big attacker win.
PPHQ martin and John. 1 attacker win, one defender win.
PPHQ. The gang. Big attacker win.
PPHQ Exiled(A) v Mercenary(D). Big defender win. martin was helping the attackers.
PPHQ. Exiled (D) v Colonial settlers (A). Big defender win.
Sean's game: Dictatorship (D) Big win over Religious army (A)
Sean's game: Colonial (A) 25pts to People's Popular Front 9pts. Big attacker win.
ASDA   Stewart(A)v Dennis/Mike.   attacker win.
ASDA  martin(A) v Ben (D). Defender win
PPHQ Mike (A)  v Ben (D). Defender win.
PPHQ. Mike (A)  v martin (D). Defender win.

Attacker = 9
Defender = 11


martin :)
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: Sean Clark on June 22, 2025, 09:25:27 AM
Seans game= defender win
Guys game= attacker win
ASDA game= attacker win
Seans game =attacker win (big)
Exiled army game= defender win (small)
Seans game  = attacker win (big) Colonial settler
PPHQ game(Tuesday) = Good defender win
Sean's game = massive defender win
Miles. If finished it would have been Defenders win.
End of days Government  v PPF EoDG was winning massively we ran out of time, unfortunately
Dorchester game. 21st May.  Big attacker win.
PPHQ martin and John. 1 attacker win, one defender win.
PPHQ. The gang. Big attacker win.
PPHQ Exiled(A) v Mercenary(D). Big defender win. martin was helping the attackers.
PPHQ. Exiled (D) v Colonial settlers (A). Big defender win.
Sean's game: Dictatorship (D) Big win over Religious army (A)
Sean's game: Colonial (A) 25pts to People's Popular Front 9pts. Big attacker win.
ASDA   Stewart(A)v Dennis/Mike.   attacker win.
ASDA  martin(A) v Ben (D). Defender win
PPHQ Mike (A)  v Ben (D). Defender win.
PPHQ. Mike (A)  v martin (D). Defender win.
20/6/25 Stoke club Sean and Keith PPF (D) v Kev S and Neil Warlord (A) Small defender win

Attacker = 9
Defender = 12
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: martin goddard on June 22, 2025, 11:22:57 AM
We are now getting some good data. The games are all using the AK rules without any major changes. This lets us know that the games seem fairly equal in expected outcomes.
There are other variables such as player ability and army type.

martin :)
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: martin goddard on June 26, 2025, 09:16:29 PM
Update

Seans game= defender win
Guys game= attacker win
ASDA game= attacker win
Seans game =attacker win (big)
Exiled army game= defender win (small)
Seans game  = attacker win (big) Colonial settler
PPHQ game(Tuesday) = Good defender win
Sean's game = massive defender win
Miles. If finished it would have been Defenders win.
End of days Government  v PPF EoDG was winning massively we ran out of time, unfortunately
Dorchester game. 21st May.  Big attacker win.
PPHQ martin and John. 1 attacker win, one defender win.
PPHQ. The gang. Big attacker win.
PPHQ Exiled(A) v Mercenary(D). Big defender win. martin was helping the attackers.
PPHQ. Exiled (D) v Colonial settlers (A). Big defender win.
Sean's game: Dictatorship (D) Big win over Religious army (A)
Sean's game: Colonial (A) 25pts to People's Popular Front 9pts. Big attacker win.
ASDA   Stewart(A)v Dennis/Mike.   attacker win.
ASDA  martin(A) v Ben (D). Defender win
PPHQ Mike (A)  v Ben (D). Defender win.
PPHQ. Mike (A)  v martin (D). Defender win.
20/6/25 Stoke club Sean and Keith PPF (D) v Kev S and Neil Warlord (A) Small defender win
PPHQ. Mike/Chris (A) v Stewart/martin(D). Attacker win.

Attacker = 10
Defender = 12



martin :)
Title: Re: Tally my bananas
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on June 28, 2025, 09:43:08 PM
Update 28th June

PPHQ 28/06 #2: Settlers attacking (Miles & Martin), Communist-supported defending (Simon): massive defender win ("slaughter")
PPHQ 28/06 #1: Settlers attacking (Miles & Martin), Communist-supported defending (Stewart & Simon): exact draw
Seans game= defender win
Guys game= attacker win
ASDA game= attacker win
Seans game =attacker win (big)
Exiled army game= defender win (small)
Seans game  = attacker win (big) Colonial settler
PPHQ game(Tuesday) = Good defender win
Sean's game = massive defender win
Miles. If finished it would have been Defenders win.
End of days Government  v PPF EoDG was winning massively we ran out of time, unfortunately
Dorchester game. 21st May.  Big attacker win.
PPHQ martin and John. 1 attacker win, one defender win.
PPHQ. The gang. Big attacker win.
PPHQ Exiled(A) v Mercenary(D). Big defender win. martin was helping the attackers.
PPHQ. Exiled (D) v Colonial settlers (A). Big defender win.
Sean's game: Dictatorship (D) Big win over Religious army (A)
Sean's game: Colonial (A) 25pts to People's Popular Front 9pts. Big attacker win.
ASDA   Stewart(A)v Dennis/Mike.   attacker win.
ASDA  martin(A) v Ben (D). Defender win
PPHQ Mike (A)  v Ben (D). Defender win.
PPHQ. Mike (A)  v martin (D). Defender win.
20/6/25 Stoke club Sean and Keith PPF (D) v Kev S and Neil Warlord (A) Small defender win
PPHQ. Mike/Chris (A) v Stewart/martin(D). Attacker win.
PPHQ. Miles/martin(A) v Simon(D). Defender win
PPHQ. martin/Stewart (A)   v Ben/Chris(D). Good defender win.

Attacker = 11
Defender = 14
Draw = 1

Simon
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