There are always projects awaiting.
Some get done sooner and some later or even never.
An update to thank you for your Peter Pig loyalty and interest.
AK is nearing completion.
TCR is nearing completion.
TCR figure range is about done. The sculpts were straight forward ( not too much research) and within my current health ability.
1. I am starting to work on the promised Romans. Auxiliaries first.
2. Thinking about the Napoleonic post siege/pirate land raid rules. Should be simple? A small range to cover assaulters and assaultees.
3. Robin hood/Vietnam. Needs a figure range.I have even bought the Chris de Burgh CD.
4. Same side PBI. When the decks are clear.
The best laid plans of mice and men...
martin :)
Thanks for laying all this out, Martin. It's good to see what's in the pipeline.
It will be nice to have an excuse to paint a few Napoleonics while avoiding having to finish a whole army of 100,000 figures. Twice.
Same-side PBI could be really good fun, but I can anticipate some challenges with the "analgue AI" implicit in this! I'd love to play Eben Emael this way.
Simon
Robin Hood is my particular favourite of this list. Very much looking forward to it coming sooner, later, or whenever!
I still hold out hope for French Indian Wars. I fully accept this isn't part of the conversation and therefore is most likely in the 'never' category, but one can dream 😄
What about a PITS rewrite?
Stewart
PITS on a grid seems a great fit.
I agree that PITS on a grid would be great.
CWB too.
martin :)
Gridded PITS - yes please.
Robin Hood - also interested.
Nick
I think the Napoleonics will be enjoyable.
The fighting figures will be in light kit.
Probably with bayonet.
1 pack of brits+ officer pack
1 pack of French + officer pack
1 pack of Spanish + officer pack
4 packs of civilians, various armaments.
2 casualty packs.
9 or 10 packs.
That is probably it???
Needs a wall across one end.
2 foot long.
It could be a 3D model of a breached wall or a card piece. This replaces the dockside of the pirate land raid.
Buildings = pirate ones or Spanish Civil ones?
martin :)
Please leave CWB it's great as it is.
ECW yes gridded was a great idea, but us British played by the rules. But our Colonial friends across the pond don't. So please leave the chaos of which way to go in the game. That's what makes it great !
Miles
PITS rework does sound good ! One day I will paint up my figures !
PBI WW1 ever since we played it that weekend at Warfare years ago would be great. As this would only be a "few pages" I would assume? It got me playing Square Bashing. But to play WW1 at Squad level, especially now you can get 3D prints of a lot of vehicles of the period. Could it be adapted to play the armies covered in SB ?
Miles
PITS is certainly a possibility but I must not promise too much (although I tend to do that anyway :-[ ).
ECW is already gridded Miles.
martin :)
I would like to agree with Sean, as it has been a few years since he introduced me to PITS (I still can't find my rules) and have know started to play more of the excellent PP range. It would be great to get out my armies🤓. I am also enjoying, the revamp of AK47 and will look through the PP update.
Agree with Miles. Don't grid CWB or Washington's Army for that matter. They are fine as they are and are quite different from the gridded games.
John
Martin I said that ECW was gridded. I was pointing out the difference between our civil war being gridded and ACW not, and why it should stay that way please ?
You have threatened us several times now about doing this and the main core of players point out every time why it should be left alone !
Please do the other games and leaving our beloved CWB alone and as John rightly pointed out Washingtons Army as well ! Please.
How can I put this without sounding patronising, as your way of doing rules is great, but CWB is one of the Best ACW rules and PP rules out there !
These games are good because the grids aren't there ?
Placing grids down would simplify the game and take out that (American) Civil war feel to it ? Gives it that Chaos that is American Which is a great shame ! Where the ECW was so much more formal and rightly works with grids !
This gives you more time to concentrate on the games that do need doing !
An expanded version of the Pirates game now that does sound interesting?
I must admit I must get both Armies for WA soon ? Hopefully I can start on this later this year ?
Doing the Romans would be good as well !
Miles
Couldn't the Washington Armies rules be adjusted or Adopted to do the French Indian wars ? As a lot of the figures are in place ?
Or even the Pirate land rules be adapted?
I am no expert on this period at all ? But it's all about the same time ?
Miles
I agree with Miles and John
CWB & AWI SHOUD NOT be graded, great rule sets as they , please leave them alone.
PITS would work better on a grid (I think)
Stewart
Quote from: Smiley Miley 66 on February 27, 2025, 09:33:25 PMCouldn't the Washington Armies rules be adjusted or Adopted to do the French Indian wars ? As a lot of the figures are in place ?
Or even the Pirate land rules be adapted?
I am no expert on this period at all ? But it's all about the same time ?
Miles
I did quite a bit of work on this already Miles. French Indian wars will work but it need serious liberties to be taken with the Washingtons Armies rules. Main problem is the lack of pitched battles and that the land had been mainly cleared by the time of Washington. At the time of the FIW it was almost ALL heavily wooded or wild.
Apart from the later stages when the British started taking it seriously it was more raiding, ambush and counter ambush using First Nation and local militias as much as possible.
I will turn my attentions back to it sometime this year.
Derek
I think Derek is working on a French Indian wars variant. Well said Miles and I agree with you entirely.
John
Robin Hood sounds interesting, I'd be interested in some 13th/14th Century men at arms, archers and knights... plus plenty of villagers to tax.
Those villagers need to know their place and that means no hunting or shouting at my tax collectors. God gave me this position and he wants me to persecute the poor.
I fought in the King's war and now have only two sticks to rub together.
Maybe the commoners should have rights? Maybe not?
martin :)
I think you mean the commoners should have tights.
No where to hide a sneaky dagger.
Oh Paul, Robin Hood is so C12th. King Richard died before 1200 rolled around. Simon de Montfort is a much better bet for the C13th, or Edward I's wars.
Yup very true Richard I died in 1199, still happy with a range of figures I could use for fantasy games as well.
On the Napoleonics why not expand the Pirate ranges so they could be used for Marlburian battles only need a few additional figures I.e. drummers and cavalry etc.
This is an interesting idea, especially as Peter Pig figures look so good on the wargames table. However, unlike many figure manufacturers, the Peter Pig ranges are almost exclusively linked to RFCM rules. Thus, if that policy is continued, there would need to be a set of rules for the Marburian period and the FIW. So this raises an interesting discussion point: should there be Peter Pig figure ranges unrelated to RFCM rules? I think this may be why the Renaissance range was sold. There were no accompanying rules, which made it something of an oddity.
You are right Andy.
The renaissance range was made to co operate with the Pike and shot society. They were to produce a set of rules called Maximilian (1987?)
It fizzled out a bit and the range did not sell well.
It had about 14 packs in the range. Including guns and a wagon.
martin :)
I suppose a few tweaks to the AWI rules could incorporate FIW and Marlborough at a push.
Although if we are considering Napoleonic Siege then instead of a new range it would be a few additions using the existing range and fits nicely into the same period.
Plus it could mean an expanded pirate raid rule set with larger sieges and a great island hopping campaign if you stick to the Caribbean.
From the research I had done there was only minor differences in the uniforms worn during the the AWI and the FWI apart from a few of the hats had changed completely.
Bear in mind that the FWI is just an extension of the Seven Years war that was being fought out over the years as far away as India alongside America and some in North Africa and the Caribbean. I like to think of it as the true First World War. Its just that a lot of school history books tend to treat them as completely seperate entities and we mainly carry on with those misconceptions.
I feel the core of the AWI rules would work for the European SYW fighting but would need some harsh tweaking. Certainly in regard to how the armies approached each other prior to first volleys etc. No more long snaking lines of troops. Form up the army at the agreed time then slowly walk towards each other sort of thing. Stop at 50-75 yards and let rip. More like the Napoloeonic style of fighting.
Also no militia or Indians involved. :)
Derek
I believe that SYW European armies and Malburian armies were a great deal larger than AWI armies.
John
My thoughts would be more PITS than WA?
martin :)
PITS suits my idea of how a FIW game would play out. There weren't too many set piece battles.
Last of the Mohicans portrays the kind of thing nicely.
Of course, a gridded PITS would be even better to adapt to the FIW.
Maybe, if PITS* gets gridded**, someone could write a variant and include it in the Mill?
I look forward to Derek's work on WA to fight the Plains of Abraham and Wolfe at Quebec!
*sorry for all of the three letter acronyms!
**I make no assumptions that this will happen. But it would be nice 😊
Just some thoughts.
There are various aspects to the FIW.
I suggest they are all distinct and would not overlap in a set of rules?
Sieges, battles, skirmishes.
The sieges are probably not much of a table game unless the effects of artillery are very sped up or just the final assault is carried out. Wolfe at Quebec is probably more of a one off scenario.
The battles. I know very little about the battles, but assume they are similar to AWI but with less militia and similarly few cavalry.
The skirmishes mostly involve Indians in some amount. The nature of Indian warfare is manoeuvre then ambush whether using rangers, regulars, militia or Indians. Smaller numbers of troops moving about a lot. These skirmishes can be raids on settlements/trappers, river/boat actions, snow patrol :) or militia v militia, Indian vIndian.
Someone needs to make a whale boat and canoe?
martin :)
I was thinking a PITs idea for doing FIW ? With the cards setting the scenario/scene ?
Pits idea does lend itself to the power house v smaller mobile forces ? I ve always said Western game could be made as well ?
But I think a PITs or Pirates adaptation of either game system would be good. Any additional figures, head changes would be very much welcomed ?
But I leave this to people who know what they are doing ?
My own best things is modelling Terrain and figures etc to make the games look good ?
Miles
Why has no one mentioned Regiment of Foote that has a great siege game that could be used for the siege games in the black powder era. All the principles are similar?
Thanks Les. Yes there are some ideas in ROF that can be used.
I must not get too interested in this ........
martin :)
On the subject of new PP projects I asked the utterly useless ChatGPT about Sengoku wargames rules and was surprised to learn of a Peter Pig ruleset currently in development. It's the first I've heard of it, and I'm sure it's the first you've heard of it too...
Darn, revealed.
It could be the new name of the BAW samurai rules?
"Zen and the art of Mayhem" bit of an oxymoron?
I will watch out for future developments.
martin :)
Quote from: Leslie BT on March 02, 2025, 10:43:41 AMWhy has no one mentioned Regiment of Foote that has a great siege game that could be used for the siege games in the black powder era. All the principles are similar?
Good thoughts Les. I do tend to forget about the excellent seige rules.
BAW has suggestions too.
Problem with Plains of Abraham is its a pretty much standard SYW battle fought along European lines but with more militia. I was working along 2 large raidng parties having a meeting engagement sort of thing.
Derek
Sounds fine Derek.
There are a few very good Ospreys on the war. They might be great for getting you into the detail of how the fights worked?
martin :)
Here is a really good piece on the F&I wars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KupWKqPGX3I
What about doing a version of the Samurai rules (Battles in the age of war) using squares?
I guess this is not that popular a period/rules set. :(
Well, this is yet another example of Hollywood (well, Disney) following Peter Pig's lead with the Shogun series, so the period's popularity may increase? :)
Simon
BAW will certainly get re written into squares.
The "hold up" is the amount of hours in the day rather than what I would like to get done.
The former is limited, the latter is not.
Plenty of stuff is getting done though.
martin :)
I am also considering using the PITS rules for my own take on Western games.
I am always flattered if a group member uses PITS concepts. Thank you Andy.
I also like PITS games because they are an enjoyable intellectual exercise too.
I am uninterested in table edge to edge British lines being charged by hordes.
A"I have set up the table and chosen the forces. You must charge my firing line/squares. It saves so much time if I set up the figures, create the scenario and plan your attack. I have planned the result too. Time saved."
B"I think you can carry on without me being here".
martin :)
Watched a clip from She Wore a Yellow Ribbon the other day, where the cavalry patrol was ambushed by those durned injuns. Having reduced them to a small encircled group, the natives then attacked the supply wagons. This is the kind of thing I'm looking for in a game, as well as posses and badmen, cattle drive and rustlers, train robbers etc, etc. Time to circle the wagons methinks, and pray there are no flashfloods.