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Rules => Patrols in the Sudan => Topic started by: Wardy64 on November 03, 2024, 12:59:49 PM

Title: Tuaregs
Post by: Wardy64 on November 03, 2024, 12:59:49 PM
Love the new Tuareg figures, are these a one off pack or are there more planned, once you have recovered Martin.

D&B
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on November 03, 2024, 02:32:07 PM
I'd say "count the empty boxes on the PP website", Dave :)

Simon
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: sukhe_bator (Neil) on November 03, 2024, 04:54:41 PM
oooh, these are rather nice. I wonder if there are going to be some HMG crew amongst them? If there are and they are integral castings with a Hotchkiss a la the MexRev, all well and good. But for extra versatility a kneeling gunner with hands gripping could be coupled up to an AK47 HMG or even a DuSHka... I will wait with baited breath to see what Martin comes up with! ;D

Neil
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: Wardy64 on November 03, 2024, 05:32:21 PM
I hoped so Simon, but  i never 'ass ume' that is the case.

D&B
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on November 03, 2024, 06:40:42 PM
I make wild assumptions and am then prepared to look foolish afterwards, Dave  :D

Simon
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: martin goddard on November 04, 2024, 10:47:24 AM
I would like to add a couple more packs of Tuaregs. camels.

martin :)
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: Bankinista on November 04, 2024, 12:32:23 PM
Will the Tuareg range also have modern figures in it so that it can cover Janjaweed or other similar AK47 forces? I'm no expert on Arabic clothing and so would see one lot of flowing robes suitable to cover ancient through to modern. There are doubtless differences but my (lack of) painting skills and dislike for rivet counting, negates these.

Thanks.

Derek of Cambridge
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: Leman (Andy) on November 04, 2024, 02:46:44 PM
A character suggestion - Laurel and Hardy, with a nod to Sons of the Desert, in Foreign Legion uniforms; a proper Beau jest. Other legionaires could very simply be fashioned from the early WWI French. Definitely showing my age there!
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: martin goddard on November 04, 2024, 03:01:16 PM
In the modern day wars the Tuareg are wearing close fitting camo uniform.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2012/mali-20-january-2012-news-uk
martin :)
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: Moggy on November 04, 2024, 03:53:57 PM
I would guess that in the 60s it was still more traditional garb though.  I remember still seeing most Arabs dressed in long robe when I was a nipper in Aden 64-66 and that was town Arabs.  I am sure in the countryside that was even more common.

Derek
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: martin goddard on November 04, 2024, 07:23:31 PM
You may  well be right Derek.
I have not looked  into it much.

martin :)
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: sukhe_bator (Neil) on November 04, 2024, 09:22:47 PM
The Tuareg in the Alfellaga 1962-64 were in traditional garb and used traditional weapons. They failed because they were outgunned when fighting post war govt. troops with cold war weaponry while they still had the lance and hide shield and the straight bladed takouba sword, similar in many respects to the Sudanese Kaskara. Their Moroccan and Algerian brethren had access to the miquelet lock Kabyle guns as well as bolt action rifles. The predecessors of the modern Azawad Movement of the 80s to the present day had many more orthodox combatants who continued to wear traditional Tuareg garb as a badge of honour while many others did indeed wear combats. There are some interesting pics online of modern combatants and the ubiquitous 'camels' - the Toyota pickups. Google Tuareg Rebellion.

Neil
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: martin goddard on November 05, 2024, 07:22:16 AM
Thnaks Neil
Useful information.

martin :)
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on November 05, 2024, 09:41:45 AM
Wow didn't the Toyota do well ? Didn't realised they named a war after it ?
Google "Toyotas at war in Africa"
Goes to show you should make an effort in these vehicles as they are used and relied on a lot.
Miles
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Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: Leslie BT on November 05, 2024, 04:32:28 PM
This all seems to have gone into weird stuff.  The rules are set in the 1880's.

All this stuff should be on the AK47 pages.
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: martin goddard on November 05, 2024, 04:55:49 PM
A swirling river of thoughts Les.

martin :)
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: Bankinista on November 05, 2024, 05:41:15 PM
That's a very definite "yes and no" It would appear that elements of the Tuareg range are usable from C&K via PITS to AK47. The discussion revolves around the degree of weaponry to be made available given, I believe, that we have more or less agreed, that there is no significant changes in Arabic clothing to matter to most people and much weaponry, and shields, seem to have much longevity.

Derek of Cambridge
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: sukhe_bator (Neil) on November 05, 2024, 06:56:31 PM
Indeed, I think I have successfully recreated a 60's Tuareg force using Minifigs and Blue Moon C19 Berbers and Tuareg interspersed with Irregular Afghan Mujahideen, PP Tuareg, Dervishes and AK47 militia with Tuareg headswaps...

Neil
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: Leslie BT on November 05, 2024, 08:21:19 PM
Well post it in the AK47 pages then this is for 1880's British colonial games.
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on November 06, 2024, 03:32:31 AM
The problem is a lot of their dress even 100 years or so down the line is very similar even if their mode of transport and warfare is not ?
So unfortunately the 2 will overlap, especially as AK 47 is in the foreground of a lot people's minds at the moment!
I have started a separate AK47 vehicle thread in AK47.
Miles
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: Leman (Andy) on November 07, 2024, 10:03:45 AM
I have to agree with Leslie on this. I look forward to C19th stuff appearing on the forum, so talk of assault rifles and Toyota vans in an 1880s thread seems a bit awry to me. I think a discussion of a figure across various time periods should appear in general discussion, as it is by its very nature general.
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: Bankinista on November 07, 2024, 10:26:19 AM
Moving the chat to a more general area makes sense. Admin action required? Are there other figures which, rivet counting apart, can cover such a wide historical range?

Derek of Cambridge
Title: Re: Tuaregs
Post by: sukhe_bator (Neil) on November 07, 2024, 09:17:22 PM
Agreed, sorry if I've muddied the Nile waters with my stream of consciousness re Tuareg...

Neil