Now I ve based my WotR army(Lancastrian's) on the Online CK Army list. I need some advise on how to transform them to Blood Barons army please ?
I know I need to make my 3 base units to 4 base units. So now I ve got to paint up extra figures to match my others. 18 years since I painted the current figures!
So any help, suggestions and advise please ?
Miles
Miles, a base of troops is a base of troops. I would just use them as either 3 to a base or 4 to a base at your own preference. You could play the game quite happily with cardboard counters or flats and it wouldn't make any difference to your dice rolling! LOL
As long as you have the requisite number of bases to the unit i doubt anyone in our little gaggle of table-top warriors is going to start pointing the finger.
Derek
I know what you saying, and thanks. But I hate not having the correct figures unless I can't supply them.
So what I need to start finding out is what I need ? Also advice on a good Army to field ? As my experience with BB2 is limited. My CK knowledge is still questionable, but my BB is even less.
Then I can eventually get the figures done to field a good looking force for both Rule Sets !
Miles
Because the breakdown of troops is not that important go with what looks good to you.
Yes, household troops should be more armoured so go with that. Levy, should be more peasanty(is that a qword, if not it should be).
I would suggest to go with the specimen army from the rulebook and see where you go from there. It is what I use and win slightly over 50% of my games so far. I am dubious about the cavalry as they just may decide to not show up.
Boils down to play a couple of games with a generic army and see how you feel about it. Cant be any more helpful than that without trying to prod you one way or the other.
Derek
Miles are you trying to paint up a realistic force or a generic force. If it is the latter then paint the figures up as normal medieval figures and addd a random selection of flags, standards or banners. Many people will not know the difference. There were very few uniforms as we understand them.
If you want a realistic force then you need to pick a side, Yorkist, Lancastrian or Tudor. Then you need to research the commanders for your chosen side. As the war lasted for over 30 years these changed with time and some commanders changed sides during the war. Once you have chosen commanders then you need to buy banners etc for each of them and research the livery jacket colours that each one used. Derek is right that many or most troops in an army would look peasant (is that really a word?) but the better troops would have the livery jacket as a basic uniform.
There is no one army that is better than any of the others, only commanders. In particular Edward IV (Yorkist) and John de Vere, Earl of Oxford (Lancastrian/Tudor) were possibly the best.
If you want to go down the historical route I can help you with research material and advice.
John
Sounds like a good way forward for Miles, John. Thanks
martin :)
Quote from: martin goddard on January 12, 2024, 07:35:33 AMSounds like a good way forward for Miles, John. Thanks
martin :)
I think what you may have meant to say here Martin was "
It is highly recommended, in the interest of optimal player satisfaction, to procure armies for each of the major houses, including liveried retinues for all of the major commanders of the period. Peter Pig offers an extensive range that can fully satisfy these needs. We look forward to your substantial order"?
;) :) ;D
Simon
I'll collect my commission later!
John
I had considered a chap with a speech bubble. As in the Longships. He could say "for York" or similar?
Players would allowed up to 5 "historical abuse" markers. e.g "Shame on you Yorkists","Yorkists are horrible", "Never heard of the tudors" , "come on if you think you are hard enough".
There would be a table showing a rock/paper/scissor triumph of abuse?
martin ???
This notion could be incorporated in a pre-game for Longships, where the opposing skálds have a "rap-off" to motivate their friends / demotivate the opposition?
Simon
Surely it should be a "saga-off". Njal versus Siggi Sigurdsson in a no verses barred, to the bored to death, narrate off in front of both Viking hordes. Should only last about 24 hours as a warm up to the main event.......
a 10 minute slaughter! I can see a TV series coming on. Move over Traitors.
John
There is always the slightly longer, but definitely correct, peasant-like. The Welsh archers are a great example of this.
With all feudal forces my approach is to represent the major players as the senior/better equipped troops commanders, cavalry with some household troops with blazons on shields or surcoats/livery jackets and bulk out the rest with more generic looking forces.
Neil
My forces are Lancastrian's. If that helps.
Miles
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Doesn't look like you need to do much Miles.
For BB you need foot units that are 4 bases. For best representation I use 1 command stand with a lord and a standard/banner, 1 base of pole armed troops and 2 bases of archers. I try to tweak them slightly to show which are household/retainers/levy (Good armour/livery jackets/plain clothes). The number of figures on a base is unimportant although 3 or 4 looks best to me. The rules for putting a force together are unique to BB so you will have to study them (there might be some guidance on the PP website)
For C&K you need foot units that are 3 bases. Unlike BB these units are either all archers or all fighting men. Again I think they look good if they have a command base for the fighting men and 3 or 4 figures to a base. In C&K the numbers on a base show whether they are CO, auxiliary or skirmishers, but you need very few skirmishers.
So it looks like you are nearly there for both rulesets.
John
Well, I for one gave up on individual bases and went for single base units with a mini-die marker at the rear. A D6 works for the first three half bases, after which the unit is removed, as a single base unit is unable to remain on the field and is removed.
There is my lack of BB experience. I didn't realise you could split the bases up like that ?
John, can I suggest after Beachhead, us meeting up and going through my collection of WotR figures and see what we can do with them and maybe what else I might have to buy to make a slightly better force etc for each game ?
Miles
Happy to do so, Miles. Might even get a game in. Wonder what Richard III would have been like at the factory game.
John
Quote from: John Watson on January 15, 2024, 06:12:32 PMHappy to do so, Miles. Might even get a game in. Wonder what Richard III would have been like at the factory game.
John
Sean would have killed him. Three times :) :D ;D
Simon