I have now re-named the topic as "Berlin" so that we can all find it.
Do feel free to re-pit this if there are changes you need to make.
You have about 2 weeks.
I think we will get 8/9 players and run 4 tables.
Germans and Russians
Tentative.
Russians
1. Derek
2. John
3. Richard
4. Stewart
Germans
5. Simon
6. martin
7. Ben
8.Weymouth Mike
There is plenty of room for more than 8 players . I chose 8 as an achievable number.
I will put out some thoughts on the day later on.
Scenery set ups.
Normal European spring time scenery .
1= Stewart
2= martin
3=
4=
martin :)
So those that have played the Factory game, will know that infantry and lots of them will win the day. This environment will eat into your men.
Some Panzerfausts and some Sachel charges will help especially in Assaults ! A flamethrower will also help !
Make sure you put as many Partials up against the buildings you're going to Assault! Then you not standing in the open if and when you fail.remember you win some you lose some?
Miles
Good advice Miles
martin :)
I seem to recall that the idea was for 1 early war game followed by a late war game but this seem to have been overtaken by the concept of doing Berlin.
I take it from this that both games will be Berlin. In that case I take it Germans will defend in one and counter attack in the other. How do we do the piggy chase in that case? or have I got it wrong?
Derek
As flamethrowers are VERY useful for FIBUA (Fighting In Built Up Area) does that mean both Germans and Russians can, if wanted field and Engineer platoon as that seem to be the only way you can get them?
Follow on question if the answer is yes we can field an engineer platoon. - P 15 shows "0-2 demolition bases*. These are riflemen with satchel charges." Are these extra riflemen to the earlier mentioned 3 (1-3 LMG, rifle or SMG bases(any mix))
Derek
I know nothing about an early war game followed by a late war game.
Possibly an event that Miles or Stewart is organising for a later date?
The Berlin game was organised before any battle days were announced.
Am early and late war day might be a lot of fun. I await the details.
"Berlin" is a very thin veneer thrown over a day of normal PBI games.
The games will be normal in almost all respects.
1. Players will use the exact same force for both games. No fine tuning.
2. Players will be either Russian or German but not both.1943-45 lists are all OK.
3. Berlin does not necessarily mean central built up Berlin. Players can choose any scenery they like.
4. Piggy chase, assets, architect etc as per normal.
5. There might be a sprinkling of "glitter type" events as per the CK day.
martin :)
Engineer platoons.
At the moment the engineer platoons are a general item available to all players.
The demolition bases will need a bit of work or deletion.
Having a maximum of 8 bases will make them less "tough" than normal platoons.
This might discourage their regular use?
I would like to see them used 1 in 7 games as a guide to my thinking.
If this becomes 1 in 3 then they are over represented.
martin :)
As previously discussed here, I have now pointed up a German force with an engineer platoon to give it a try at the Berlin weekend.
I struggled a bit to balance things within the points as the engineer platoon is deliberately smaller. Btoadly I found I could go with three sub-maximum infantry platoons too, with weak armour, or two tougher platoons (maybe making all the infantry Veteran) and decent armour.
Simon
It is good to have 3 platoons each of 11 bases as they can take some punishment. The negoneer platoon might do a lot of dame but can be sensitive to loses.
martin :)
Sorry chaps
I can't make the Berlin day
Have fun
Stewart
Quote from: martin goddard on January 04, 2024, 01:01:35 PMIt is good to have 3 platoons each of 11 bases as they can take some punishment. The negoneer platoon might do a lot of dame but can be sensitive to loses.
martin :)
That's pretty much what I'd concluded too.
Simon
Quote from: Stewart 46A on January 04, 2024, 02:39:57 PMSorry chaps
I can't make the Berlin day
Have fun
Stewart
Oh no! Sorry you can't come out to play after all, Stewart, and hoping all is well,
Sinon
UPDATE
Germans and Russians
Tentative.
Russians
1. Derek
2. John
3. Richard
4. Weymouth Ben
Germans
5. Simon
6. martin
7. Southampton Ben
8. Weymouth Mike
There is plenty of room for more than 8 players . I chose 8 as an achievable number.
Scenery set ups.
Normal European spring time scenery .
1=
2= martin
3=
4=
martin :)
I shall bring a scenery set up.
John
That is very helpful.
Thank you John.
Do you need a cloth?
I suggest that in order to lighten your load no need to bring 6 of each scenery type, just bring about 15 assorted pieces and get players to choose their 6 from those offered.
martin :)
UPDATE
Germans and Russians
Tentative.
Russians
1. Derek
2. John
3. Richard
4. Weymouth Ben
Germans
5. Simon
6. martin
7. Southampton Ben
8. Weymouth Mike
There is plenty of room for more than 8 players . I chose 8 as an achievable number.
Scenery set ups.
Normal European spring time scenery .
Please bring 15 pieces of your choice. Players can choose their 6 each from those that you bring.
1= Southampton Ben
2= martin
3= martin
4= John
martin :)
I have a cloth thanks.
John
Can I please confirm scenery requirements, for the avoidance of doubt?
Is it correct that the 3 people (Martin is clearly over-endowed) mentioned below are collectively providing a full set of scenery for the 4 tables, and the rest of us just just need to bring along our toy soldiers, pencil, tea mug, dice and markers?
Simon
Morning all,
Just seen this, if its my Ben who is 'Southampton Ben', he isnt aware of bringing a tables worth of scenery or had any discussion on what is needed.
D&B
Sorry Ben and Dave
Don't know what I did there. Whoops and apologies.
martin :-[
UPDATE
Entoyment
1. Saturday 13th January 2024
2. Each player will use the same army twice.
3. 1 game am and 1 game pm.
4. Scenery as per normal PBI
5. Russians claim +6 on piggy chase.
6. Amy Russian or German army 1943, 44,45
7.There will be lucky dip of twinkle changes. These are trivial and can be given to others or swapped.
8. Each side will act as a team and individuals . The team score will show which side has won overall.
9. Game 2 will not be affected by the result of game 1. e.g. player can attack twice , once . nunce.
10. Players please bring pen, dice, Battle sheets and play sheets will be provided.
11.Players please have a look at the latest PBI rule set which should be with you by end of Weds 10th. I will do a summary of recent changes.
12. Players can use veteran or raw but in the case of raw please make sure you can keep the game moving with decision making. ie if you like to have a good think about each action or have not played many games yet you may find it more difficult to get a Raw game done.
13.
Germans and Russians
Russians
1. Derek
2. John
3. Richard
4. Weymouth Ben
Germans
5. Simon
6. martin
7. Southampton Ben
8. Weymouth Mike
There is plenty of room for more than 8 players . I chose 8 as an achievable number.
Scenery set ups
Normal European spring time scenery .
Please bring 15 pieces of your choice. Players can choose their 6 each from those that you bring.
1= martin
2= martin
3= martin
4= John
More updates to come
martin :)
Thanks Martin.
To be clear, when you say "Please bring 15 pieces of your choice. Players can choose their 6 each from those that you bring", you are addressing this at John and yourself?
Simon
Yes. Good to clarify this Simon.
Otherwise each table would need 36 pieces.
I will bring a selection of 15 for each table. Don't worry it won't be 15 hills.
Looking forward to it.
martin :)
Thanks Martin. Ben is happy to bring scenery if required just wants to know what and how much?
D&B
Quote from: martin goddard on January 08, 2024, 01:09:09 PMYes. Good to clarify this Simon.
Otherwise each table would need 36 pieces.
I will bring a selection of 15 for each table. Don't worry it won't be 15 hills.
Looking forward to it.
martin :)
Thanks Martin. Looking forward to seeing your new Berlin card buildings.
Simon
Thanks dace.
No worries I can cover it.
Just bring yourselves.
martin :)
UPDATE
Entoyment
1. Saturday 13th January 2024 at Entoyment.
2. Each player will use the same army twice.
3. 1 game am and 1 game pm.
4. Scenery as per normal PBI
5. Russians claim +6 on piggy chase.
6. Amy Russian or German army 1943, 44,45
7.There will be lucky dip of twinkle changes. These are trivial and can be given to others or swapped.
8. Each side will act as a team and individuals . The team score will show which side has won overall.
9. Game 2 will not be affected by the result of game 1. e.g. player can attack twice , once . nunce.
10. Players please bring pen, dice, Battle sheets and play sheets will be provided.
11.Players please have a look at the latest PBI rule set which should be with you by end of Weds 10th. I will do a summary of recent changes.
12. Players can use veteran or raw but in the case of raw please make sure you can keep the game moving with decision making. ie if you like to have a good think about each action or have not played many games yet you may find it more difficult to get a Raw game done.
13.
Germans and Russians
Russians
1. Derek
2. John
3. Richard
4. Eric
Germans
5. Simon
6. martin
7. Southampton Ben
8. Weymouth Mike
Scenery set ups
Normal European spring time scenery .
There will be 15 pieces to choose from. Players can choose their 6 each from those 15.
1= martin
2= martin
3= martin
4= John
More updates to come
martin :)
Thanks Martin.
I like that point 13 was written in secret ink - very clever.
Are we aiming to congregate for c. 08:30 for a leisurely start, and then kick off seriously once the bacon butties have been consumed? I'd hate to be late. I'd also feel cheated of beauty sleep if I got up too early.
Simon
0830 that's lunch time for me. Especially as I am working. Sandwich and a cold(iced) coffee by then.
Miles
Quote from: Smiley Miley 66 on January 10, 2024, 04:32:19 PM0830 that's lunch time for me. Especially as I am working. Sandwich and a cold(iced) coffee by then.
Miles
Wonderful - you can envisage me tucking into a nice warm bacon buttie shortly thereafter, Miles. I'm sure that thought will help while away the remainder of your round :D
Simon
Thanks, on your way to Poole you could come through the Forest go to McDonald's for me and bring me a Hot Breakfast instead ? Lol
Miles
If folk are there for 9am we should be fine.
martin :)
I have sent a list of reminders about PBI details out today to BERLIN players. Do let me know if you do not receive it
thanks
martin :)
Received with thanks, Martin. Very helpful.
Simon
It is so good I received it twice under different headings. Still a bit confused on the mortars but hopefully it will become clear tomorrow.
John
It is the New York edition.
martin :)
Should I be upset I only got it once?
Simon
Taylor Swift has your other one Simon
martin :)
Looking forward to tomorrow.
I am bringing German paras 1944.
Avergae
3 foot platoons
1 mortar platoon
Pair of armoured cars.
This gives 5 units.
Good for arrivals.
ACs gives +4 on piggy chase.Fine unless they meet a sharp stick or angry market trader.
Safe journey.
martin :)
I am bringing 1944 German Heer:
3 platoons of infantry
1 platoon of engineers, carrying a nice little surprise or two for the Russkis
A brace of StuGs, in case the engineers don't do their job...
I should probably paint up some cheap armoured cars as those StuGs are quite expensive...
Bis morgen!
Simon
I am bringing................Oh no I've packed the army list so you will have to wait until tomorrow, but they are Russians.
John