Whoops
Event 2
By popular vote the event is now PBI
Hope that is OK?
Wessex/Southampton Club . Saturday 11th November.
Alan
Miles
Derek
martin
John
2 Games?
martin :)
As this is Armistice day I hope you will all remember.
I am playing Square Bashing at the club on Friday. I always try to get a game in around Armistice Day.
A very good principle, Sean.
Simon
What Armies are you suggesting for this Game day ?
I would suggest up to 1942 ?
But what do others think ?
Miles
Good question Miles.
We need 4 armies in total.
What army would John like to bring and then you and I Miles can bring 3 more armies that tie in period wise? How does that sound?
Your call John?
Les; yes it is remembrance day. I tend to carry on with whatever I usually do but give up a couple of minutes to remember. I suspect that the club will have a silence at 11am? That will not interrupt the day much. The major event for remembrance tends to be the Sunday nearest the 11th. On that day I expect many will watch or attend a ceremony. Weymouth usually has a pretty impressive one.
How are you now Les? Ready to start work on the next set of rules?
martin :)
1942................
I can do......
Desert Rats
Afrika Korps
Russians
Germans
US (North Africa)
Japanese
Partisans
Italians (North Africa)
14th Army
I fancy either Partisans or Russians.
What do you think?
John
My, you certainly have the goods there John.
May I propose we theme the fighting day as either desert or Jungle?
I say this so that we can match the scenery to the armies?
That will look nice.
I have a jungle army I can share/lend and also a desert army I can share/lend.
What do others think.
martin :)
I have both as such . More Desert rather than Jungle.
I ve still not had time to put my Jungle together yet ?
As I ve been doing the city scape !
I got the bits of Jungle and Bamboo and templates cut.
Just need to get a small tin of reddish brown colour That Vietnam is famous for. Then it covers 2 games. PBI, MoCB and maybe AK47 at a pinch.
Miles
Shall we do desert then?
I will bring an Italian and a British army.
martin :)
Quote from: Smiley Miley 66 on November 05, 2023, 09:29:22 AMI have both as such . More Desert rather than Jungle.
I ve still not had time to put my Jungle together yet ?
As I ve been doing the city scape !
I got the bits of Jungle and Bamboo and templates cut.
Just need to get a small tin of reddish brown colour That Vietnam is famous for. Then it covers 2 games. PBI, MoCB and maybe AK47 at a pinch.
Miles
Jungle just looks cool :)
Simon
I've got some desert terrain but I don't think I've got a cloth. I've got no jungle terrain but I do have a cloth.
John
We can do jungle next time when folk have their set ups sorted.
If Miles brings a desert set up and martin brings a desert set up we have the two set ups we need?
Does that sound all good?
martin :)
Absolutely fine. What armies are people using?
John
I will bring Desert/Mediterranean terrain. All in cloth as well.
Also I will bring 8th Army.
Miles
I shall bring British 8th army and Italian.
I will use the British.
I will point up an Italian army that anyone can use. i will give an AT gun option and a tank option.
martin :)
In that case I better bring 8th Army, Italians and DAK. I will point up each as well, so we can mix and match. I will aim for the 2nd half of 1942 so that takes in El Alemain and the battles that preceded it.
John
Gosh - you chaps do have a fine selection of forces to choose from!
Simon
Damm, think I need to start on more common place armies now John.
Already started making more Fins, Seems I dont really have enough unless I make them veterans. Already thinking of making them a large enough force to do a non-conformist force. Ideal for surrounding those invading Russians!
Derek
Derek
Would you like to borrow an Italian army???
martin :)
I will use whatever is available thanks.
With my dice it possibly wouldn't matter anyway after last time lol.
Derek
Derek
Would you prefer an Italian tank or towed AT gun option??
I will then put a list up here for your perusal.
martin :)
John
Will two tables be easy to "get" at the Wessex club on the 11th??
martin :)
Based on the last couple of meetings it shouldn't be a problem. Numbers have been down and it is also Warfare so there might be a few at Farnborough.
Derek I don't think the Finns really qualify for non conformist as their support hardware is quite adequate to make them conformist. Depending who they are fighting they either have their own, Russian or German tanks and artillery.
John
My reading of v72 of the rules (p109)
"Non-conformist companies
If a player wishes to use a company and class it as non-conformist the following
restrictions are applied."
I take this to mean you could use any nationality as a non-conformist unit. Yes, there is a list of restrictions to certain Armies but as they are not specifically listed then only the general rules would apply. If this is not the case then that statement need to be re-written to say this or a general set of restrictions inserted.
failing this I can always call them Norwegians in snow gear though!
Derek
Historically I feel the Fins are an ideal nation for fielding non-conformist units as that is what made up the majority of their army. During the Winter War over 50% of their fielded units were made up of troops who could only doubtfully be called reservists let alone regular troops.
Also, if you consider the following:
The Fins had little in the way of war industry apart from a factory making molitov cocktails.
The Fins only gained the use of slightly better equipment by capturing it from the Russians (who also had little in the way of "expensive items such as good quality tanks and towed guns) in the Winter War and the continuation war. This inevitably left the tanks damaged.
The Fins had no ability to recover heavy equipment from the battlefield and even when this was possible they had little in the way of heavy industry to actually do real repairs which left most armour "patched" and equiped with a mish-mash of equipment within it.
To me the Early Fins seem to meet all the criteria.
Derek
I beg to differ and would refer you to the two excellent Osprey volumes on the Winter War and the Continuation War.
Also I don't think it was Martin's intention that you could use any company as a non conformist company. I think you can only use them when you cannot comply with the normal rules.
Personally I don't like the idea at all. I think there should be a points limit that all forces must comply with from their available forces. Full stop.
John
I'm not sure I grasp the concept of a non conformist company.
Am I right in thinking that it's intended to cover real life equivalents that dont for some reason within the standard design of your company? I'm sure I've seen Home Guard mentioned.
I'd understood that non-conformist companies were those that couldn't legally get to 400 points (i.e. because they were Raw and couldn't historically call on tanks / guns to bump up their overall company points sufficiently). With resistance (French, Greek...) groups and Home Guard units being typical examples.
Do I have that broadly right?
Simon
Yes you do Simon.
Thanks :)
That's fine Martin. In that case it need to be made plain that ONLY the nationalities listed can field non-conformist companies.
In the case of the Fins surely they can be simply placed within the category of Partisans alongside the Estonians and Latvians. Not going to get into a protracted arguement using difference points of view from differing sources over their abilities and capabilities. Life's too short for that.
Derek
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It is in the rules already.
martin ::)
Derek just for you. Company Architect:
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(https://i.postimg.cc/dhzjNmxp/IMG-8302.png) (https://postimg.cc/dhzjNmxp)
(https://i.postimg.cc/4m06nQsy/IMG-8303.png) (https://postimg.cc/4m06nQsy)
This why they cannot be non conformist!
Miles