I had a look at the information about these rules and they do not appear to be published yet, i.e. there is no price or add to cart tab. Any news on a publication date?
I spoke briefly to Martin at Colours yesterday, while he was running the demo game of Conquerors and Kings. He mentioned that the publication date was likely to be October (IIRC).
He also said the 'playtest version' was on the PP website...I'd love a peek, but cannot find it (anyone know if it's hidden somewhere eg where I haven't yet looked?).
There are some playtest reorts on the rules page itself, which detail the mechanisms being used. There is also more information if you click on want to know more, as well as playsheet downloads. I am hoping the rules will translate to the Early Italian Wars 1494-1515 (also including the Flodden period).
Andy,
You have it right. If Martin were to share the final playtest version here, it might cannibalise future sales somewhat :)
Simon
Andy, I would suggest that for Italian Wars a hybrid of C & K and Bloody Barons might work. I think the artillery rules from BB would be closer to the Italian Wars than the C & K artillery rules. The opposite for pike effect and skirmishers.
John
Thanks for that John. I also have some unpainted Roman Republic and Successors that have been looking for some rules for a while.
You might well enjoy C&K, Andy. A pretty simple set of rules in themselves, but some finesse needed in managing the match-ups between opposing forces.
Usually bloody and fun!
Simon
Hello all
To clarify.
The battle sheet is free and on the PP website.
The play sheet is free and on the PP website,
The army book is free and on the website.
The rules are not on the website.
Sorry for any confusion.
I hope to get the rules to the printer this coming week 1-15th September 2023.
It will then take a few weeks to get all done.
There will be printed and pdf copies available when all is printed.
The army book will remain free to download. This allows updated version to be available without making gamers upset at being out released.
martin :)
Great to see this getting to the publishers soon, Martin.
The trick now will be to avoid starting to tinker with anything else (well done on not yet getting tempted with Square Bashing updates ;) ) until PBI 2020 is done and dusted too!
Simon
Wonderful news. Ancients is having somewhat of a Renaisannce in Stoke and I'm looking forward to taking a shiny new book to the club. A lot of people have DBM/WRG based armies, but I think we can use some sort of token to denote hits.
I'll of course be extolling the virtues of C&K over WRG for the unenlightened!
Quote from: Colonel Kilgore on September 10, 2023, 10:55:46 AMAndy,
You have it right. If Martin were to share the final playtest version here, it might cannibalise future sales somewhat :)
Simon
Absolutely...! When Martin commented that the rules would be published 'in October' my head didn't register that October is only three weeks away 🫣. (Might be 'cos the heat suggested June or July....🙃). Didn't realise how imminent that was.
The major advantage Sean, is that with CK you don't have to put your dice, measure, rules,play sheet, daed figures, reinforcements, pen, mug etc on the playing surface.
For me a major plus.
martin :)
Quote from: Sean Clark on September 10, 2023, 09:10:30 PMWonderful news. Ancients is having somewhat of a Renaisannce in Stoke and I'm looking forward to taking a shiny new book to the club. A lot of people have DBM/WRG based armies, but I think we can use some sort of token to denote hits.
I'll of course be extolling the virtues of C&K over WRG for the unenlightened!
You just have to quote Martin here...the rules want you to be a good general not a good measurer!
I do like DBMM but I get very frustrated with the micro measurement. I recently laser cut some 40mm equilateral triangles for the purposes of measuring the EMTLU (Extra movement to line up) these had to go in the bin when they were pointed out to be 39mm!
I too am looking forward to the new C&k
Martyn
Thanks Martyn.
Advantage 2
Players can set their units up in a layout that looks good without being penalised by the rules.
Advantage 3
CK allows the use of battle plan that cannot be cancelled by an opponent doing a quick re-shufffle. The right flank cannot become a left flank.
martin :)
Oh that Dbmtxyz story. It's people like that that put me right off face to face gaming. When it stops being fun, stop! Now I can happily play with my 17.5mm 2/3 ruler without somebody saying, but this inch is only 17.3mm.