Having played on Friday O realised how rusty I was on the rules. I couldnt for the life of me find any reference to the range of LMGs.
We assumed 5 squares the same as HMG
A ha!
page 75
Rifle =6
SMG= proximity
LMG= 8
MMG= 10
HMG=10
Maybe they should all be unlimited apart from SMG??
martin :)
martin
Quote from: martin goddard on March 13, 2023, 04:49:29 PM
Maybe they should all be unlimited apart from SMG??
martin
Don't start suggesting rules tweaks, Martin - the rules are fine as they are, and you already have C&K and PBI 2020 on the go, with SSPBI still waiting in the wings! ;)
Simon
Martin,,
I think you've quoted PBI; page 75 of Bayonets and Ideology talks about terrain 🤣
Understandable as PBI is on people's minds at the moment.
I think you're referring to the table on page 64 of the paper rules, Sean, from which the LMG does appear to be a notable absentee.
Another way to look at this might be to refer back to the note that LMGs fired rifle calibre ammunition, and that for MMGs in which the crew members and mounting contribute to the range. Under that logic, an LMG might feasibly have a range of 3 squares, i.e. the same as rifles...
Simon
From a historical standpoint I always thought LMGs had about the same range as small arms fire, just with a bit more hitting power by dint of squirting out more rounds...
Neil
I can't believe we missed this clarification in playtesting and proofreading, but am looking forward to seeing what Martin's view on this is - I feel sure that he's with us, Neil :)
Simon
Good question.
It is all about how the troops used them.
LMGs have a greater PBI range because they were used at a greater combat range.
This is partially because their shooting at range does not need to be so accurate. Thus troops use them at a greater range knowing that the dispersion of shots is just fine.
Also an LMG can make use of plunging fire as it is an area type weapon.
Inaccurate fire by rifles at longer range will have little physical or brain effect on a target.
A rain of bullets will have a big effect.
martin :)
I have sent out PBI again to help with this. See page 75.
Martin,
The debate is LMGs in Bayonet & Ideology, not PBI. Specifically what range they should have (I checked my rules again last night, and must admit I couldn't find it specifically mentioned anywhere either).
regards,
Nick
Oh Gosh
Sorry
I have got it back to front. :-[
martin :)
Quote from: martin goddard on March 14, 2023, 09:24:11 AM
Oh Gosh
Sorry
I have got it back to front. :-[
martin :)
Never a good idea with an LMG... ;D
Simon
Just for the record. Rifle range and as far as I know LMG/MMG range in PBI is 6 squares unless you have changed that too ?
Miles
Quote from: Smiley Miley 66 on March 14, 2023, 04:06:04 PM
Just for the record. Rifle range and as far as I know LMG/MMG range in PBI is 6 squares unless you have changed that too ?
Miles
Hey Miles - don't confuse us all again - we've only just managed to get this thread back to the SCW! ;D
Simon
Quote from: Colonel Kilgore on March 14, 2023, 07:58:55 AM
I can't believe we missed this clarification in playtesting and proofreading, but am looking forward to seeing what Martin's view on this is - I feel sure that he's with us, Neil :)
Simon
I'm amazed too as I've played lots of games of this and can't for the life of me work out how I've not noticed this before. I can only assume we've always used the MMG ranges.
I've only played SCW once before and that was two+ years ago with Martin and others. I vaguely recall that small arms range was as far line of sight went. So if you had a rifle or MG and you could see it, you could shoot at it. But, as I say, my recollection is vague.
John
John,
The rules are very clear (Ranges table on page 64) that rifle-armed foot bases have a range of 3 squares.
The question remains: what is the range of an LMG in Bayonet and Ideology...?
Simon
I suggest.
Same as rifles as it is part of the overall effect of a foot unit.
martin :)
I think you are correct Martin :D
Thanks for clearing this one up.
Simon
That works for me.
Thanks, Martin.
Nick
Whew! Got away with it
martin :)
No one noticed Martin. We'll wrap this thread up and move on as if nothing happened ;D
Mind how you go.
martin :)