https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPpm2rvgCm8 Sean's painting video.
Yes Sean full army of Camel Corp. https://imgur.com/gallery/S0daQo7
Welcome for a game when every you visit.
Very nice.
Derek
The PITS Brits are a particularly characterful range.
Simon
Indeed, all my British are in Scarlet except my RN force, Marines in Blue/grey and sailors in White
Stewart
Very nice little video there, Sean. Listening to that this evening even made my work progress painlessly. Thanks for sharing your painting experiences - that Coat d'Arms red really does cover well!
Simon
A little impromptu as I hadnt released anything for 10 months.
Apparently it was the last British campaign that the Redcoat was used. After that it was all Khaki.
Must admit I was going to do a load of mine in Red as I want to be able to use mine to fight in CWB as well.
Miles
My principal reason is they just look nicer!
I can understand, but painting them in Khaki is technically easier ?
Miles
Quote from: Smiley Miley 66 on July 20, 2022, 02:24:47 PM
I can understand, but painting them in Khaki is technically easier ?
Miles
Isn't it technically also more accurate? I thought only very few red coats were worn in practice. Even if they do of course look very nice!
Simon
I think I have their physical book somewhere, but the Perry online guide to Sudan uniforms is a nice summary:
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/the-sudan-1883-85-a-brief-history-and-uniform-guide/
You may need to paint your new red coats khaki again, Sean? ;D
Simon
Red is best
martin :)
Quote from: Colonel Kilgore on July 20, 2022, 06:16:32 PM
I think I have their physical book somewhere, but the Perry online guide to Sudan uniforms is a nice summary:
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/the-sudan-1883-85-a-brief-history-and-uniform-guide/
You may need to paint your new red coats khaki again, Sean? ;D
Simon
My figures represent the 1st North Staffordshire Regiment. Mustered in 1791, after initial policing duties on the sub continent, they first saw action fighting around the Khyber and on the North West Frontier. They were sent to the Sudan, initially as part of the Hicks Pasha expedition. After some R&R, they joined the relief column sent to Khartoum.
Throughout their service they continued to wear the red coat and blue trousers and were the last regiment to adopt khaki, just prior to their involvement in the fight against the Boers. Their regimental nickname of 'The Red Devils' was carried with them until they were disbanded and merged with other Midlands regiments in the 1970's.
It is recommended that you dont look in any history books to verify the above. Just take my word for it. ;)
I like that style.
It is the period of change.
I know I will be doing some in Red as I want them for CWB. Wether it's correct or not ?
Miles
I think the 1st North Staffs look spiffing, Sean ;)
Simon
Nice bright targets for the Beja to snipe at! ;D
The Victorian British army were never the quickest to catch on to practical innovations... you have to look to the Navy for that!
I'm with Sean, variety being the Lice of Spife an all...
Neil
I think Sean is doing it to cause upset and strife for show attendees?
When Sean did his 15mm Towton (obviously the wrong figure size ::)) , some chap had to sit down and phone home such was the upset caused.
I suggest Sean has a charity box at the end of his table at shows.
Gamers have to put in 50p each time for the opportunity to bore the players with stating the bleedin' obvious.
A further 50p to give details about their own project which has nothing to do with the game being played?
Should make £30?
martin :)
One of my wargaming friends is well known for the games he puts on at various shows.
One of his games is a complete Alamo set up.
He told me that someone once complained that the cactii were the wrong type for the area !!!
There's 50p in the charity box John.
martin :)
Martin,
That Towton game will live on in infamy. The £30 would be reinvested in more figures painted in the wrong colours in the wrong scale 🙂
John,
I painted some Russian buildings by Hovels for a friend at the club. He used them in a huge Borodino ge with around 3,000 28mm figures on the table.
Another member of the club wandered over, sniffed a bit and then told us that the thatch on the buildings was the wrong colour 🤣😆
At our big Gold beach game we put on throughout At various shows 2019. Someone said the numbers had to be wrong on the landing craft ? Being in the 2000's was surely wrong ? There couldn't be that many there !
I then pointed out to him this was one of the beaches of Gold beach zone and there was 4 other landing areas. So how many Landing Craft ? Plus the first wave alone on one beach nearly 40 landing craft should've been used times that by5 plus.
Plus we had actually got the numbers from a book and other source's that backed up our numbering system.
Some people !
Miles
In the Railway Modelling fraternity I have heard these kinda folk referred to as 'rivet counters'.
In a WW1 Aerial game I played, someone complained my Albatri had the wrong fin shapes. I replied by showing him a quotation stating that DV's and DVa's often had supply issues so the riggers often slapped DIII rudders on as a quick fix if they got too shot up to be patched. If I recall the reverse was often true and OAW produced DIII Albatri had DV shaped rudder shapes as well.
Same issues with Fokker DVIIs - 'that's the wrong type' someone once said - 'the engine cowling's wrong'. I pointed out that the 'variants' were nothing of the sort, just riggers taking tin openers to the aluminium cowls at different places in an effort to better ventilate them to prevent the incendiary rounds cooking off above the engine housings...
Doing a very quick search on Google you could have any colour Sean.
Cheers Les.
I'm very happy with my choice to change to red coats.
The grey uniform is nice. And of course, I could add in a unit of the Post Office Rifles in blue coats!
I have only ever played one Sudan game and the enemy were Egyptians, not British. They were all very old men as they had originally fought in the Crimea in blue uniforms and had been repurposed into white.
My response to wargame show know-alls is, "....and where pray is your display game so that I can check that all your figures etc. are correct..............Oh, you couldn't be bothered to put one on. Well done for your positive contribution to this show!"
The blue uniforms presumably hearkened back to the days of French influence in the region... the grey to Prussian etc. Smaller world armies tended to follow the military fashions of Europe prevalent at the time, the gifts of various military training missions and good old army surplus...
My Qajar army has battalions of new order troops in Green, Blue and Red uniforms from Russian, French and British training missions invited by Abbas Mirza.
I agree with the 'put up or shut up' sentiment...
Neil
Plenty of good rebuttals here. I like "were you actually there?.."
Frankly most history is written after the event.
Mike
Quote from: Big Mike on July 23, 2022, 07:37:37 PM
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Frankly most history is written after the event.
Mike
Mike,
I'd venture that
all history is written after the event ;D
Simon
Except Prehistory of course - since History hadn't been invented then! ;D
Neil, you've made my head hurt with that one... :D
Simon
Quote from: Colonel Kilgore on July 23, 2022, 08:26:12 PM
Quote from: Big Mike on July 23, 2022, 07:37:37 PM
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Frankly most history is written after the event.
Mike
Mike,
I'd venture that all history is written after the event ;D
Simon
Yes, I was clearly stating the b******g obvious of course.
We rely on historians who must rely on other peoples recollections. Even for recent/current events there can be varied versions of the same occurrence. E.G. Who was at the party etc.
Mike
Just kidding, Mike. I knew what you meant, but couldn't resist ;) Sorry!
Simon
Simon, what has all this .... to do with Colonial wargaming?
It may be to do with the winners writing the history. I seem to recall that the Sudanese captured Khartoum killing Gordon in the process. Suddenly Gordon was a big hero, despite the fact that the dithering of the British government and therefore the late despatching of a relief force led to his demise. Similarly the Zulus got a bad press, despite their attempts to avoid war with a voracious colonial power, which then went on to overrun the Boer republics and in the process develop the first concentration camps. Won't go into India, China, etc, etc. I think colonial wargaming is interesting from the point of view of differing arms, tactics etc, but the tendency to think of it in terms of glory and honour is well past its sell by date in the modern world.
Andy,
It remains the stuff of Boys Own tall tales.
The rights or wrongs of any of the protaganists in our gaming must be pushed to one side if we are to enjoy our games. War is hell and the motives for prosecuting war are best left to the history books and not the wargames table.
I think Andy has schooled us in how colonialism works.
I don't think any of us knew those facts.
Very helpful and erudite.
We need to take the actions of our figures on the table much more seriously.
Should the infantry pursue that enemy unit falling back and thus make children fatherless?
martin
Fortunately my toy soldiers are made of metal and not flesh and bone so have no children.
Though that night I slept in the workshop surrounded by thousands of Piggie figures would make a good Dr Who episode where they all come to life and take over Weymouth.
Not much time for my country right or wrong, as you've probably gathered from my current address.