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RFCM discussion => Eye Candy => Topic started by: Moggy on May 09, 2022, 02:10:56 PM

Title: Principality of Galicia-Volhynia (1199-1253) Army
Post by: Moggy on May 09, 2022, 02:10:56 PM
Ok, almost done so will throw a few piccies up at this stage.

For those not overly familiar with Eastern European political history this ancient Kingdom spanned the area covering northern Ukraine and Southern Bellorus. It eventually expanded northward and occupied areas of Lithuania. It was finally absorbed into the Kingdom of Ruthania by marriage.

(https://i.postimg.cc/XBLxNh6j/DSC-0550.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XBLxNh6j)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jWfpqsgR/DSC-0551.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jWfpqsgR)

(https://i.postimg.cc/14skP1pZ/DSC-0553.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/14skP1pZ)

The Army consists of 4 Units of cavalry, 8 Close order infantry units, 6 Auxiliary Infantry and 6 Skirmish units.  This should cover most eventualities.

The base blocks on the back of the command units have spaces for the 3 skill icons which can be inserted or removed as required.


Derek
Title: Re: Kingdom of Galicia-Volhynia (1199-1253) Army
Post by: martin goddard on May 09, 2022, 03:15:24 PM
Derek
I can include them in the CK book if that helps?
What army are they a bit like?


martin :)
Title: Re: Kingdom of Galicia-Volhynia (1199-1253) Army
Post by: Moggy on May 09, 2022, 04:44:27 PM
Hi Martin

I have found little really about the Army (composition, equipment, etc) so its quite hard to make a case. The apogee of the Principality (yes only just found they wern't a Kingdom until after the absorbtion by the Ruth (Rus)) is really around 1245 so a bit later than the rules really cover. This was primarily a job lot bought off EBAY and described as 12/13th Century Polish.  This makes the army suitable for both C&K and BB.

They are chainmail armoured with a lot of spears, swords and 2 handed axes. I believe they were a serf driven economy from what I have read so probably not too disimilar to most other nations during that 200 year period.

I don't feel they have anything to offer that makes them stand out. It would just be extra clutter in the rules. I feel that maybe increasing the options available in the existing Norman lists and renaming it "Norman conquest period" may be a better option. I have previously seen too many army list books (WRG not to name drop) that had so many lists that may as well have been cut/paste (if it existed then) that add nothing.


Cheers for the thought though.


I do have a pile of mounted skirmishers left over from other projects that may well be included with this army in the future. After all they fought the Golden Horde, Knights Templars, with and against both Poles and Hungarians. They did use mercanaries!

Derek

The only reason I went for that nation was I liked the flag (Yellow lion rampant on a field of blue).
Title: Re: Principality of Galicia-Volhynia (1199-1253) Army
Post by: sukhe_bator (Neil) on May 09, 2022, 07:31:07 PM
Similar to Teutonic or Medieval Polish. They also included a fair number of urban militia in common with the Med Germans and Russians and the Teutonic Orders. Horse archers were common mercs throughout the Eastern European fringe.
Title: Re: Principality of Galicia-Volhynia (1199-1253) Army
Post by: Moggy on May 09, 2022, 07:35:48 PM
Yep, can field pretty much anyone. Maybe there should be a rule that can be included about the use of mercenaries. Max of 75 or 100 points of mercs that can be anything. Not available to everyone, only armies that were known to use them.

Derek
Title: Re: Principality of Galicia-Volhynia (1199-1253) Army
Post by: sukhe_bator (Neil) on May 09, 2022, 07:42:30 PM
Nice idea, Derek,
DBM has similar proportionate restrictions but their listings tend to be uber-specific and a little intimidating to unravel the various permutations to bears with little brains like me...!
Title: Re: Principality of Galicia-Volhynia (1199-1253) Army
Post by: sukhe_bator (Neil) on May 09, 2022, 07:44:21 PM
I keep doing a double-take on the Forum, Moggy... the Galicia I have been reading about recently is in the top LH corner of the Iberian Peninsula!
Title: Re: Principality of Galicia-Volhynia (1199-1253) Army
Post by: Moggy on May 09, 2022, 07:47:07 PM
haha, That's what I thought first when I saw it.

https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Galicia-Volhynia

Derek
Title: Re: Principality of Galicia-Volhynia (1199-1253) Army
Post by: Leman (Andy) on May 10, 2022, 11:11:47 AM
Yes, I too thought these were something to do with the El Cid period of Spanish history, especially with the round shields.
Title: Re: Principality of Galicia-Volhynia (1199-1253) Army
Post by: martin goddard on May 10, 2022, 11:17:43 AM
Good notes Derek
A "pick what you want" mercenary part of an army is unlikely to make it into the rules.
I want each army to have a "character" with good aspects and bad aspects.

On a more general point for all play testers.
I am going to work very hard indeed to keep "my army should be better"  nonsense at bay.
A side dish to this will be folk who want to choose the battle tactics that they think are best.


Players are going to need to win by skill in CK.

martin :)

Title: Re: Principality of Galicia-Volhynia (1199-1253) Army
Post by: Moggy on May 10, 2022, 11:48:07 AM
Fair enough.

I really must try to find the time to have another game or two before I fly off next month. Maybe have a break from painting and delay the Carthaginians a little.

Derek
Title: Re: Principality of Galicia-Volhynia (1199-1253) Army
Post by: Moggy on May 11, 2022, 03:09:35 PM
Tis done.....for now

(https://i.postimg.cc/w1p31jdw/DSC-0558.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w1p31jdw)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Q92hvf8f/DSC-0557.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Q92hvf8f)

(https://i.postimg.cc/23WznNGM/DSC-0556.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/23WznNGM)

Derek