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Rules => Western => Topic started by: Sean Clark on August 11, 2021, 06:25:02 PM

Title: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: Sean Clark on August 11, 2021, 06:25:02 PM
Les informed me of a review of the Western rules by Ralph Astley which I have just watched.

There there were a couple of queries that I thought worthy of questioning.

1. At the bottom of page 2, a sentence states that there is no diagonal measurents for motivations, movement, shooting or morale. Motivations isn't a concept in the rules, and there are one or two rules that contradict this statement. Morale is one instance, where you take a test if there are any enemy groups in proximity - including diagonals. I think this sentence may have been a relic of an early version of the rules, but probably needs striking out for the sake of clarity.

2. Return fire and opportunity fire. I am fairly certain, that at short range, ie facing squares, you only get opportunity fire, and not both. This would accord with other RFCM games where the passive player doesn't get two bites at the cherry so to speak. Ralph highlights this point, as it isn't made clear in the text. As written, the defending player gets opportunity fire, the active player shoots using AP, then the passive player gets another shot using return shooting.

There are other points made, like the reinforcement mechanic where you may need extra figures, if all of your wounded figures are occupied as reinforcements, leaving no bases of table for when wounded are mended.

Also the aggression levels are discussed, as Ralph says there are various ways of interpreting the aggression levels where there are empty boxes, and also why can't Indians take the Lead On aggression level.

I think this is a case of "if you don't like this sort of thing, then this isn't the sort of thing you will like" to misquote Lincoln. But a couple of points worth mentioning for discussion.
Title: Re: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: Leslie BT on August 11, 2021, 09:21:34 PM
I just don't think it is worth stooping to his level.

The best response would be a good positive BR of the game.

It just makes me sad that anyone feels the need to be so negative. 

Its a bit like looking at someones figures and saying the facing colours are wrong or it the wrong shade of green for some beautiful vietnam figures.
Title: Re: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on August 11, 2021, 09:50:32 PM
I thought your replies were polite, informative and clear Sean.
Title: Re: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: Sean Clark on August 11, 2021, 11:49:54 PM
Thank you Ben.

And Les, you're right, a good video battle report would be a good response. It'll have to wait until I'm back from holiday though, as I've got AK47 and Bloody Barons lined up on Saturday, Bosworth day on Sunday then a week in a cottage in  wet west Wales.
Title: Re: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: pbeccas (Paul) on August 12, 2021, 12:46:29 AM
I watched the video.  I think it's a fair review.  Each point was well explained and evidenced.  Ralph enjoys other RFCM rule sets but he didn't enjoy this one.  If you sell a product, there will be reviews.  Some good, some bad.  We are all different. 

Title: Re: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: Stewart 46A on August 12, 2021, 08:21:09 AM
i think some of the problems/mis understandings would have been made clear if he has asked Peter Pig direct or on forums like this one.


Stewart
Title: Re: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: martin goddard on August 12, 2021, 09:39:05 AM
Sean

Wales is probably the best place in the world for castles.
It is full of little ones and big ones.
Do some research before you go and I think you will find many small almost unknown castles near where you are.

The little castles are great because they  are usually free and give off an elemental historical feel.

Harlech is a vey impressive castle that actually saw a lot of action.
Not sure if your family would agree with all this, but  maybe a good picnic with fish paste sandwiches?


martin :)
Title: Re: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: Wardy64 on August 12, 2021, 10:14:40 AM
Lived very close to Chepstow castle, Hils and I took Ben and Sam there many times when they were young - used to get a lot of living history events going on. Caerwent is really good for a visit to a Roman Town, lots to see and do, even Hils liked going there! Check the Cadw website.

Mwynhau Cymru

Dave

Title: Re: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: Moggy on August 12, 2021, 10:24:43 AM
I loved Harlech castle earlier this year. Only real problem is it takes ages to get anywhere in Wales. The closest they have to motorways is a B road that doesn't have sharp curves. :)


Just kidding. Wales was lovely.

Derek
Title: Re: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: Wardy64 on August 12, 2021, 10:34:39 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/mhLDmB4h/JS76332825.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mhLDmB4h)


Diwrnod heulog Cymru (sunny day Wales).

Dave
Title: Re: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: pbeccas (Paul) on August 12, 2021, 10:40:03 AM
That's someone's wife Dave.
Title: Re: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: Wardy64 on August 12, 2021, 10:48:59 AM
That's one of my family holiday snaps  ::)

Dave
Title: Re: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: martin goddard on August 12, 2021, 12:37:32 PM
I think the caption might be
"Well that was a great idea Gwen. Now what?"

martin :)
Title: Re: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: Wardy64 on August 12, 2021, 01:04:59 PM
We have been looking at moving back to Wales as Ben was planning to go to Cardiff University, but with his results this week he has got into Southampton, so we can stay were we are  ;D

Dave
Title: Re: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on August 12, 2021, 01:33:57 PM
We visited the ruins of Aberystwyth Castle earlier this week, and then popped up to Pen Dinas hillfort for good measure  ;)

Simon
Title: Re: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: sukhe_bator (Neil) on August 12, 2021, 03:31:56 PM
Quote from: Moggy on August 12, 2021, 10:24:43 AM
Only real problem is it takes ages to get anywhere in Wales. The closest they have to motorways is a B road that doesn't have sharp curves. :)
Get an OS map and you will discover what my family liked to call 'Z' roads - where the grass scrapes along the bottom of the car and there's a gate to open and shut and a cattle grid seemingly every 100 yards. (Good exercise for the youngsters!)

One of my relatives had this to say about the wilds - "yes it would be lovely if only all those hills weren't in the way..."
Title: Re: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: Wardy64 on August 12, 2021, 04:16:26 PM
This is what the roads are designed for not tourist cars!
(https://i.postimg.cc/qN8XC8XY/sheep.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qN8XC8XY)


Dave
Title: Re: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: sukhe_bator (Neil) on August 12, 2021, 04:55:46 PM
Covid compliant sheep too - just look at that social distancing!
Title: Re: YouTube review of the rules.
Post by: Sean Clark on August 12, 2021, 06:15:14 PM
Locking this topic. Thanks for the pick me up

😂😅