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A "Pink Pig" award for painting Sean?

martin

Thats a great idea.

Could we run a forum painting competition called the Pink Pig?

1. Pre 1900 single figure
2. Pre 1900 unit/ship
3. Post 1900 single figure
4. Post 1900 unit/vehicle
5. Open category for a diorama .

All Peter Pig figures.

Thoughts?

Sean,
The painting competition is a good idea, the Pendraken forum do one every year. The other thing forums do are group builds over a month or so where participants build a model or figures to fit a particular theme, e.g. terrain, the more open a theme the better.

Gets my support.

Best wishes,
Martin Buck

Group builds sound an interesting idea. I remember seeing this on a forum before now but can't remember which one.

Pendraken seem to do quite well with theirs. Surely the promise of winning a Pink Pig badge is enough to spur group members towards greatness.

A great idea Sean
However we do have some painters that are so good they are even better than me; hard to believe i know. :-[

Let me throw some thinking in and see if we can massage that into something.

1. An award that is easy to compete in so that we get lots of entries. Easy  =many have a chance.
2. A set of criteria that includes painting but not only that.
3. Criteria that are relevant to playing RFCM games.
4. Maybe have votes/points from many that go into a central score.   Survey monkey?

Here is a list of ideas and constructs.

1. There should be  a PP prize and the winner's piece should be featured on the PP website and other gaming forums.
2. The prize would be a unit rather than money so that the cost is low for martin.

Criteria
a. The unit(12+ figures) or model(3+ models) must have fought in at least two games using RFCM rules. The more games played the higher the pointage. Maybe 2-5 6-20 and 20+. Award 1,2,3 points
b. The paint job must be nice. Award  3,4,5 points
c. There must be an account of the way they have fought in battles. Award 1,2,3 points
d. The physical age of the unit. 1-2 years, 3-6 years, 7 years plus. Award 2,3,4 points
e. The basing in terms of quality and cohesion with the other bases. Award 1,2 points.
f. Travel. Where has the unit travelled to. Award 0=nowhere, 1= fought only 2other opponents, 3= fought outside the county. 4=fought abroad (another country).
g. Uniform accuracy. Award 1 or 2.

This would give a chance for a unit to win and still not look the best but be the best.
Scores can vary from 11 to 22.

I suggest that any entered unit must be mainly (75%) PP. Really do not think we want yet another lovely unit of 28mm Winged hussars.

This kept me up all night, but might be the way to get us all involved??
The above would be more interactive rather than impressive.
The winning unit/model would be relevant and applicable to the hobby.
The award would need to say more than "best  painted" to be accurate. Possibly "A unit for all seasons"  The "Thomas More Award".

I did not originate this topic but do like to interfere (sorry).


martin :)

Good ideas martin.
Maybe this needs to be moved to a new topic as "Onandaga" might mislead some??

Mr X (that will hide my identity) :)

I will see what I can do to un-hijack this thread,  then  ;)

Simon

I think that move worked, without too many ironclads getting sunk?

Simon

Some forums award "medals" or "badges" to participates to mark that have completed an entry, similar to the "supporters" badge, for painting competitions or group builds.
It's something our hard working admin team would have to look into, (sorry  :) )  but I believe it is an add on to forum software.

Best wishes,
Martin Buck

A very good idea Martin. We'll done.

I will also sponsor the prizes as part of the God's Own Scale Podcast. More news on this later. There are ongoing negotiations at a very high and very senior level. They are entering a delicate stage. Someone has brought in croissants when we order pain au chocolate. Wish me luck.

Martin B's idea is splendid. A special forum badge is something to aspire to.

Criteria
a. The unit(12+ figures) or model(3+ models) must have fought in at least two games using RFCM rules. The more games played the higher the pointage. Maybe 2-5 6-20 and 20+. Award 1,2,3 points       How would this be ajudicted

c. There must be an account of the way they have fought in battles. Award 1,2,3 points    Not sure on this one 
d. The physical age of the unit. 1-2 years, 3-6 years, 7 years plus. Award 2,3,4 points    How would this be ajudicted

f. Travel. Where has the unit travelled to. Award 0=nowhere, 1= fought only 2other opponents, 3= fought outside the county. 4=fought abroad (another country).    How would this be ajudicted



Sorry Martin, Dont want to appear negative here but I think the criteria above are over complicated and favour people who are able to play frequently. Not all people are able to travel to play others regularly or do only games played at PP meets counted. Not everyone is able to play any day of the week and have a ready supply of opponents available at the drop of a hat. In my case I would have 1 chance per fortnight to game assuming I have an opponent who is available within my club. How does that make a level playing field with someone who has a close group that can play every day at home. I feel this could be quite devisive and unbalanced. This also penalises anyone whose joy is in the painting and modeling but not necessarily the gaming.


Also as I have indicated above fairly controlling these points would be hard to do relying on the honesty of the individuals. I am NOT impugning any-ones integrity here so please no-one take it the wrong way.

I do agree with the criteria to the degree of PP figures present. In fact I would say that as it is for the PP website it should be 100%. I accept most of my Armies would then not be able to enter as I do like to mix figures from different manufacturers but can accept that point happily.


CHeers


Derek

Thanks Derek

Good feedback.



martin :)

Great idea to have a yearly paint off, I'll enter.  You could publish the entries & winner in the Mill.

You could even have a PP conversion category.  I've seen some great head swap figures posted on here.

I love a good KISS.

Keep It Simple Silly.

I think judges should be the Admin and Moderators here plus Martin G and Julie. She is a very good miniature painter.

I don't think a financial award is necessary. The qudos and recognition of peers plus a big picture spread in the Mill will surely be enough to get people in their thousands entering.

The Pink Piggies has a certain gravitas to it.

I just cut and paste this from the Pendraken yearly painting categories to show what they get up to.

Foot - Pre-20th C. - Max: 40 figures, on either a single base, multiple bases, or in a movement tray.
Foot - 20th C. - Max: 40 figures, on either a single base, multiple bases, or in a movement tray.
Mounted - Max: 20 figures, on either a single base, multiple bases, or in a movement tray.
Vehicle - Min: 1 / Max: 3 vehicles on or off bases.
Fantasy & Sci-Fi - Max: 40 figures, on either a single base, multiple bases, or in a movement tray.
Open - Single Base - Anything which doesn't fit into the other categories, with a max base size of 100x100mm.  This could be a command base, a single figure, artillery base, etc.
Open - Army - Anything which is larger than the maximums in the other categories, so multiple units or a whole army.

I like the Open- whole army category.

For me, this isn't about someone submitting a professionally painted masterpiece. It's about theme, spirit of the period and creativity rather than painting eyeballs and 8 highlights of paint on the collar of a British infantryman.

This forum and RFCM rules have a unique approach to wargaming that I would like to see reflected in the entries we receive.

So it doesn't matter if you're a Van Gogh or a No Go, anyone who enters has a chance of winning an award.

This is an idea for a friendly, non judgemental, unique approach to a competition. It might be described as an intangible, but that's getting a bit deep 🤣

I see paint offs as inspiration and motivation to get some figures painted, rather than win anything. 

Me too, Paul.

Maybe there could be something like a "cast in the last 12 months" category  to encourage folk to invest in some of Martin's most recent creations?

Simon

Good idea.

I think group builds are a better option for average painters, the idea is provide motivation and a deadline to complete the project by rather than a competition. I have been thinking about themes and have come up with the following:

1, Head swap: one or more bases of figures each base must include at least two head swapped figures.
2, Command: a command base for a unit for a RFCM ruleset.
3, Transport: a vehicle or animal (including humans) carrying goods or passengers can include water vessels.
4, Support: a base or bases featuring a support weapon or team e.g. artillery piece etc.
5, Water: a piece of terrain depicting water or water vessel or troops associated with water marines, naval infantry etc.
6, Marker: an objective marker or an in game marker.
7, Template: a piece of terrain which conforms to a template for a RFCM ruleset.
8, Collectable: one or more figures from the PP Collectable Figures range.

What do people think?

Best wishes,
Martin Buck

That's a good list, Martin B. I particularly like the "collectable" item - I'd be interested to see what people have done with theirs.

Simon

Sounds interesting Martin.
What is the definition of group build though.
I have not heard of that one. Is it that several people must be involved in an item?


martin :)

Martin,

A group build is a theme, like a generals base, a tank or a building, and everyone does their own version. No awards as such, but everyone displays their work. Quite interesting, because you might have have painted a building before so it can take you out of your comfort zone.

Thans Sean.
Sounds popular.


martin :)

I hope the once a year painting comp still goes ahead as well as the group challenge.

Well I'm happy to moderate it. I think a group badge for participation, and 1st, 2nd and 3rd plus pictures in the Mill should be reward enough? I'll start a new thread later with some details.

Quote from: Sean Clark on May 17, 2021, 08:36:00 AM
I like the Open- whole army category.

For me, this isn't about someone submitting a professionally painted masterpiece. It's about theme, spirit of the period and creativity rather than painting eyeballs and 8 highlights of paint on the collar of a British infantryman.

This forum and RFCM rules have a unique approach to wargaming that I would like to see reflected in the entries we receive.

So it doesn't matter if you're a Van Gogh or a No Go, anyone who enters has a chance of winning an award.

This is an idea for a friendly, non judgemental, unique approach to a competition. It might be described as an intangible, but that's getting a bit deep 🤣

I do like the sound of that Sean. I stopped entering the Pendraken competition a few years back as the winning entries were always superb masterpieces which must have taken an age to paint considering the detail shown on these 10mm figures. I always entered figures I had painted as part of an ongoing project, which I don't think were too bad, but the standard required was impossible for my shaky hands to reach.

The Pendraken competition was great, but the same people were winning a lot of the prizes. I'd like this to be far more inclusive and representative of the whole community.

Thanks for doing the work Sean.

martin :)

I'm tempted to shelve this idea for now.

The group build seems to me a far more inclusive way for members to display there talents, and having two forum events running at the same time will do no favours for either.

It maybe something to return to in the future, but I think the group build should get priority and the forum members attention.

Couldn't the winner of the group build still get a Pink Pig Award?

Simon

Again, I'd rather reward participation than winning. Martin B might correct me here, but participation and inclusion is the key rather than one up manship.

Maybe a people's vote on the 'best in show' would be doable.

It might be that a Piggie badge could be awarded each time you participate. On completing 5 entries you get  a Silver Piggie and on on 10 the much, coveted Golden Pig.

Sean is correct the participation in a Group Build is the important part and I've stolen his silver and gold pig award levels idea. I suppose I could have called then Ag and Au pigs and claimed the idea was mine all along. ;) Thank you Sean.

Best wishes,
Martin Buck

A group build sounds better. Then when we start going to shows and events, and start seeing PP type games being played again, it will be nice for people(forum members) able to spot the odd Group Build Base or Template on a Wargames Table ? So we can all have a chuckle to ourselves over the years to come ?
There are so many possibilities? Also variations that can be archived? Some of PP's odd bits n pieces of the ranges can be included ?
Like on a building template, having a dog in a back alley cocking his leg and peeing against something ? Or 3 pigs in a back garden or an eagle flying/ swooping in to land on a window ledge ? Some of PP Furniture or a Petrol pump say included into base or template ?
Something Quaint or Quirky ?
A quick example is the Trophy for the Ardennes game in Dorchester a few years ago is based on the "famous" photograph of the Abandoned King Tiger with American soldiers climbing over it.
Miles

Martin B... Not stolen  ;D The idea was for the group build.

OK, I'll close this thread and await 1st June to get going with my group build entry!