Can the brain power of the board suggest any amendments to the RULES for ROF for the 30YW.
I know the army lists will need a tweek(more cav, perhaps more pike) but is there anything in the mechanisms which need any real changes.
tx
I have also been thinking about using these Rules for the TYW.
But I am unsure which stats the unit type light cavalry / crotas should have.
Any suggestions?
From my ECW/TYW days I seem to recall a third cavalry category of raiders/scouts in other rulesets that covered a multitude of sins from Ottoman Delis, Akinjis, Cossacks, Croats and other Hussaria.
They had some of the elan of the Royalist cavalry laced with a healthy dose of self preservation since they were effectively swords for hire/booty. Fast charge and evasion and ideal for pursuit and harrying but enough sense not to face off against harquebusiers and cuirassiers who knew what they were doing...
Early war stats for infantry reflecting the 1:1 pike to shot ratio of the tercios, but with options for firearm equipped special units like Hajduks and Streltsy.
Not sure how that equates to the ROF rules...
I have no idea! But welcome to the forum 😁
Yep, again not a period I have much knowledge on but welcome. Glad to see new names on the boards.
derek
Thank you Derek!
I agree with the description of light cavalry / croats during the 30yw. But for the late 30yw I would dare to say that the tercios were gone and the units were more or less like in the ecw. Even read somewhere that the New model army were based upon the Swedish army of the late 30yw....
I was thinking of how to depict them in In the game.
Example given:
Movement: 5
May only assault squares that has taken casualties.
MUST sack the baggage
etc.
I will experiment with this and share my thoughts. If anybody out there have any ideas i would appreciate it.
Welcome from me too. I did consider 30YW but decided to go with the other end of the century and fight in Ireland.
For me the big changes would be:
* Light cavalry and to a lesser extent light infantry is one aspect, as they were more common in the TYW than ECW - mentioned already.
* TYW cavalry vs. cavalry did not break or pursue off the field in quite the same frequency/vociferousness as in the ECW. So some tweaks will be needed around that IMO.
* You need to model the different style of infantry This is likely the biggest change. The ECW commanders all used a slightly simplified version of the Dutch system, so that is all the rules cover. But to cover TYW it needs to cove the full Dutch system as well as the Swedish and Terico's formations which were not used in the ECW. Note those styles also changed over time as well and views differ on them/their usefulness etc but you get the idea.
* Armies were generally much bigger so the rules can cover smaller actions but the larger ones will need bigger set ups.
* The armies are more mercenary/professional which I think can dealt with in army lists but would need to be thought through
* Obviously new lists and generally armies
One of the strengths of RFCM rules is that they are mostly written for specific conflicts. There are rules out there specifically written for the TYW, such as Tercios, which has a very slick army building system, and In Deo Veritas, written to cover all C17th European conflicts, with TYW army lists and scenarios. I also remember coming across a set called something like Wallenstein's Bad Day, but had it on my old computer back in UK. Can't remember where that came from. However, as above, it was fought in a different way to the ECW, with the bulk occuring before 1642 and thus using different tactics, weapons (eg. lance armed gendarmes in the early battles), amounts of armour and troop types to the ECW.
Tilly's Very Bad Day?
https://balagan.info/wargaming/tillys-very-bad-day
I think they are also now available in printed form.
Neil
I knew it was one of those Imperial generals, although it does now sound like an Enid Blyton book. I'll check it out. Thanks.
This may be slightly heretical, but I did like WRG's DBR rules.
Perhaps because the period is narrower than DBA / DBM and there are fewer variations in troop type, but the games I've played have felt quite realistic (notably the interdependence of pike and shot) and - dare I say it - fun!
Simon
You might want to take a look at these as well: https://renatio-et-gloriam.co.uk/wp/
Officially soon to be released but have been play tested for a while now.
Had Tillys very bad day a read through. Seems interesting.
Not to complicated but well thought through.
And it has light cavalry.... ;D
I posted on R & G forum ages ago but had nothing back. I had assumed it was a non runner?
Quoteposted on R & G forum ages ago but had nothing back. I had assumed it was a non runner
It was a bit of a COVID victim , but it's back on track now . Rules out in January