I was going to add this to the previous thread but the system suggested starting a new one.
As any good gamer getting into a new period...you work hard to grab your gaming buddies & bring them along for the ride & corrupt them....er entice them. Still painting my Bolsheviks....and showing the square bashing rules around. Now a good friend was amused & interested in the mexican revolution period (1910-1920).
So I was reading the boards about the previous threads on this period....and desire for figures from board members goes back quite some time... Yes I looked at the Western range & while you can do head swaps but there aren't any mexicans with modern rifles etc and no US figures with the period hats. Now i know you can modify, possibly even find other mfg's but convincing someone to start out by doing a pile of conversions, maybe not the greatest selling point.
So Martin please consider this another request among what I am sure is a large pile of ...please can you/will you.
Of course, if bribes work ..... :D
Now getting off my soap box...we return you back to your regular posts..
Bob
I have books here and the "Wild Bunch" on the way :)
Adding my encouragement to make this happen - certainly wouldn't need 36 packs to adequately cover the key types and many might be adaptable from existing sculpts - 1914 British Infantry would be a pretty good match to regular infantry were it not for the backpacks, existing cowboys with headswaps for Irregular Cavalry etc (I just can't face doing them one by one using the sombrero head pack!)
If it ever did happen, I'd buy armies to use with Square Bashing.
Nick
Mike Blake has produced a book about the uniforms of the Mexican Revolution. It does costs £40 + however. He has also promised a "wargamers guide" on the revolution too.
Hope it is OK to use the acronym MR for the Mexican Revolution, unless a better one is available?
MR might fit into SB and Western? Thoughts?
None of this discussion is a promise to make figures however
martin
That was my thinking; SB would be ideal for the scale of some of the actions and would look visually very impressive.
I've been very tempted by the Mike Blake book but can't quite justify buying it right now, but the interwebthingy has lots of useful images
has anyone here bought the Mike Blake book?
If it is packed with good info then I will buy it.
By good info I mean
1. constituent parts of the forces. Number proportion and use.
2. Weapons in use
3.Artillery etc
4. What applies to what period of the MR. Many types were not constant throughout the MR.
martin
I only have the Osprey book on armies of the Mexican revolution
Nick
A period about which I know positively nothing, but IF a range started with amendments for Square Bashing or Western then I would be in like a shot.
Hi
There is an excellent Osprey about the U.S. Campaign of 1916 against Pancho Villa (serie "Raid" n°29), with plenty pics, bird-eyes maps of the battles (Colombus, Carrizal), and drawings of battle scenes and uniforms by the always talented Peter Dennis:
https://ospreypublishing.com/the-hunt-for-pancho-villa-the-columbus-raid-and-pershing-s-punitive-expedition-1916-17
Pierre
I haven't bought the Mike Blake book but it is on my radar.
I haven't bought the western rules either....though i think MR 1916 style would fit into square bashing but with some caveats (own SB but haven't played yet). A very good friend who was born down there (but canadian) tells some great stories...but the jist is that the Mexicans were always hard pressed for equipment & supplies...not militarily trained...so they fought there way...when & only how it suited them.
How you deal with all of that I am not quite so sure as they also had large armies in the field. In some respects they operated much like a guerilla army.
I would definately be interested in 15mm MR. There's a big hole in the market here as no one else has a range.
It's more Square Bashing than anything else, unless you could adapt the AK 47 system along the lines of the old variant. I can think of some pretty neat political flow charts for a start.
Quote from: Jim on April 27, 2020, 09:21:58 PM
unless you could adapt the AK 47 system along the lines of the old variant. I can think of some pretty neat political flow charts for a start.
I've got a couple of the old AK47 political flow charts for "30-30 Carabina" but the link to the original page no longer works
I too would be interested in PP doing a MexRev range
Navy & Military Press do a reprint of the 1906 'handbook of the Mexican army' produced by the War Office - lots of useful information on organisation , equipment etc - great value for money.
Just received my copy of the Blake book today... Thought it was nicely done with some larger copies of the pictures.
Works nicely with the Osprey book on the revolution period which has more of the actual history & why there were so many differing groups.
Clothing & uniforms remind me a litle if the Chinese warlord period. Whatever they had, regardless what regulations changed or when.
Bob
I'm ever more intrigued by the possibilities of this. It would certainly be a period that Peter Pig could corner the market on.
Working on it :)
Best news of the year so far.
I appreciate that in the current circumstances, that might not seem like much, but it truly is! ;D
Yes.....totally agree with Sean's words..
Sounds promising!
Nick
This range birth will be a little unusual.
The figures will start coming out end of July (?)
The unusual thing is that there is no dedicated set of rules ready to go with them.Although WESTEN and SB can both be used with the range.
This will be an area of discussion I hope. At the moment Enemy PBI has the playtest placer.
martin
Really pleased about that Martin.
I'll go with Square Bashing rules to be going on with.
That'll mean I'll need to buy a bigger quantity of figures to put the armies together!
Nick
Excellent news - I look forward to buying the figures
Yes dedicated rules can wait their turn
..paint the armies, play using Square Bashing then get involved in play testing in earnest once it begins.
Sounds like a great plan
I love it when a plan comes together. :)
Nick
Now that IS good news, thank you Martin.
Is it too soon to have a list of packs planned for the initial launch?
Rules: SB first choice but I've also had a lot of fun adapting Osprey's 'Men Who Would Be Kings' to different theatres. Using 'Piggy standard' 30mm bases with 3 15mm figures instead of a single 28 will mean units of 36 Infantry or 16-20 cavalry, which should look impressive, with the smaller figures giving a better impression of the 'wide open spaces'.
Hello Simon
Thanks for the support.
No lists yet of packs etc.
I expect them to be grouped into regulars, non-regulars with big hats and non-regulars with smaller hats. Not sure if we get as far as Indians with bows but we shall see?
I am trying to limit expectations, because if not there will be huge lists of wants followed by condemnation for lack of following those same lists of wants.
Do rest assured that i have already done many hours of research. I have also spent a fair bit of money on resources too. I love the enthusiasm, but must make sure it does not brim over into disappointment.
There are about 24 packs (of which about 10 are German paras)that need to be done before a single Mexican puts on his hat. Also there is BB stuff, ACW generals and that armoured car too. Plus whatever re-builds the workshop needs. e.g Rebuilt all the western wagon moulds this week.
My serene swan like progress really does disguise my little legs running like crazy underneath the surface.
First figures should appear end of July 2020.
Please keep up the chat. It will help the range to hit the ground running
martin
Next week's quiz could be to guess the Mexican packs. I'm going for:-
1. Mexicans hat dancing
2. Mexicans with chicken fahitas
3. Mexicans with burritos
4. Mexicans with refried beans
5. Mexicans with stomach upsets (Montezuma's revenge)
6. Mexicans who look like Eli Wallach
7. Mexicans with ridiculous moustaches
8. Gringos
9. Walls with USA on one side and keep out on the other
10. Skeletons (Day of the Dead)
I'll let others do the rest.
John
For most of us ..its just a hobby....and our bending Martins ear...is just that.. in the end what will come will come.
I had a good chuckle out of John's guess work....except for number 5. (More gringos sick then mexicans)
A good opportunity (down the road) for a set of mexican train crew....many armies seemed to move by train or horse...
As to guesses...allowing for 2 sides (at least)..... 5 poses ea... a few basic types to start, but beginning to sound like real work.
I always find it best to let Martin crack on with things. He normally comes up trumps.
This is from 30 years of experience. Guessing is always good. Demanding A, B and C, less so 😂
Quite right Sean!!