Luis what did you use to create the rigging on the PP models?
Hi,
Sorry I hadn't noticed this thread before.
As for general basckstays, I just used sewing thread of an appropriate colour --dark brown usually. If asking about ratlines, in my first models I simply cannibalized those from a previous collection of doll house miniature ships :-[
Right now, while awaiting delivery of some photo-etched ratlines from China, I'm experimenting a trick that a gaming mate explained to me. Allow me this weekend to take some pictures to help me explain what does it consist of.
Thanks looking forward to the information, busy getting the ships cleaned, assembled, based, and primed.
Looking materials like Liquitex Professional Gloss Gel to create the water effects.
Hi again,
At the time of finishing up a ship, I generally use a dark brown sewing thread to stand for rigging. I use to start cutting a long segment of thread (up to twice as long as ship's own length, or even longer) and knotting it to the bowsprit. After securing that first point with a small drop of superglue, I then extend the thread progressively to the rest of masts step by step, rolling it around each mast and gluing the thread to it. And so on until I'm satisfied with the overall look.
(http://wargames.cat/soldadets/tutorial/m_rigging_0.jpg)
I use to place longitudinal shrouds linking from mast to mast on every ship, not always doing the same with the backstays linking a mast to the next one from bottom to top --this latter depending on how satisfied I've got with the first step.
(http://wargames.cat/soldadets/tutorial/m_rigging_1.jpg)
As for ratlines, a gaming mate told me a few days ago he also used sewing thread for them, after having previously hardened it by coating it with white glue, from end to end.
This made me recall I still stored in my spares box a few spools of naval modeling, wax coated thread. That's what I use instead for ratlines.
(http://wargames.cat/soldadets/tutorial/m_rigging_2.jpg)
Generally I cut a long segment of thread (up to 1 m long, or so) and hang it from a high place, stretching it with a weight at its lower end.
(http://wargames.cat/soldadets/tutorial/m_rigging_3.jpg)
Then I coat it with white glue all long and let it dry, to obtain a long, reasonably straight segment.
True that this thread being wax coated, I might just apply a little heat at the bendings to achieve the same result --but I feel it safer for my home not to toy with heat ::)
(http://wargames.cat/soldadets/tutorial/m_rigging_4.jpg)
Now it comes the funniest part, when one has to test hard one's patience ;)
It's just a matter of cutting thread segments to the appropriate length and putting them in place --using again the ubiquitous white glue.
(http://wargames.cat/soldadets/tutorial/m_rigging_5.jpg)
(apologies for my poor skills at taking pictures with a mobile in one hand while holding tweezers with the other ;D )
Although I am not into ships or naval warfare I read your post from beginning to end with keen interest. Good stuff, nicely painted ships, and thank you very much for the detailed advice.
Yes the ships do look good with some cordage, yes I can see it going to be a real fiddle getting the ratlines to look good.
Are you still intending to use the photo etch brass?
All very nice, Lluis - your ships are getting even better with each iteration!
Many thanks for taking the trouble to explain your steps - all very useful.
Quote from: Leslie BT on May 20, 2018, 08:39:12 PMAre you still intending to use the photo etch brass?
Yes I've got up to three ships finished and just awaiting those photo-etchings --the
Skytrex race-built galleon and the
Peter Pig fluyt you can see in the pictures above, besides of a frigate from
Peter Pig too. As soon as I'm delivered them I shall post pictures on how they look once applied to the mentioned ships.
Mail shipments from China can take a looooooong long time though, so I suspect that my pipeline of finished ships awaiting some ratlines will grow larger soon, with a
Peter Pig sloop I'm about to start, a gun boat I've just built from scratch, a
Peter Pig schooner I'd like to convert into a three-masted, lateen-sailed
sagetia (quite similar at a first look to a xebec, but not so slender, torpedo-like looking), and last a
Minairons Treasury galleon a friend has commissioned to me.
So where do we get these photo eched brass rigging from please ?
Colours for the boats/ships ? Where is the best place to get colour ideas from please ?
I ve read that the inside walls of ships are generally in Red ?
What colour would you do most timber decks please ?
Masts what colour generally please ?
The photo-etched ratlines I've used are 1/700 actually, made by a Japanese brand named Ocean Spirit.
Their website is temporarily closed, but you should be able to find them on eBay, AliBaba or even Amazon.
As for a colour schema for ships, I shared in the 'Eye Candy' subforum my attempts to find one such while making a collection for my own:
https://rulesforcommonman.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1074.0
https://rulesforcommonman.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1083.0
https://rulesforcommonman.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1113.0
https://rulesforcommonman.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1180.0
Despite written in an admittedly primary English, I guess it can give you an answer on some of your painting doubts --hull, decks, masts, sails and so.
As a matter of fact, you can try among several options, until finding out one that satisfies you the most.
I've been essaying some of such different options while painting together two commissioned fleets --also, on 'Eye Candy' subforum:
https://rulesforcommonman.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1218.0
Did I help you?
Lluís
www.minairons.eu
Can I ask how your galleons look compared to and alongside Martin's ships as I see they a different scale? I know ships were not all one size so how do they square up please. Can we haveca side by side shot?
Thanks.
I was wondering the same as Duncan ! How your ship compare with PP ships ?
Hopefully those other sites will help.
If anyone has any other information on colours or book names and websites ?
A greta book for colours ad other detail is the TIME LIFE pirates book. Available second hand for about a tenner.
Minairons galleon has been modeled at 1:600th scale on the plans of one of the largest ships ever of its class (a Spanish Eastern Indiaman displacing over 2,000 tons). With a length of around 60 m, then the model measures some 10 cm long. So it is only 0.5 cm shorter than Peter Pig's large full rigged ship, or so.
I am aware that Peter Pig's naval range is nominally scaled to 1:450th, but after having assembled and painted several samples of every PP and Minairons ships in their respective ranges, my humble opinion is that most of Peter Pig models (especially the larger ones) are fully compatible to 1:600th scale products. To my particular tastes, only their sloop might look slightly oversized if placed amidst a 1:600 layout.
A personal opinion, though. I think that the abundant pictures I posted in my threads 'do speak by themselves', as a common saying here says.
Anyway, here it goes a sample picture, taken from a previous thread:
(http://wargames.cat/soldadets/Teri/m_vaixells1_01.jpg)
A Minairons large galleon side by side to a PP fluyt, a schooner and a frigate.
Minairons galleon doesn't look particularly large there --although it is admittedly taller. This is due to foremast and mainmast having three sails. If cutting off the upper sail from both masts and shortening them accordingly, then it stands more or less as tall as PP's large full rigged ship.
Just as in this picture, showing another two large galleons along with three fluyts from PP:
(http://wargames.cat/soldadets/comandes/m_comandes1806.jpg)
Hope this helps!
They look fantastic.
I found this company for photo etched Ratlines Atlantic Models
http://atlanticmodels.net/photo-etched%20details/1-500%20scale.html
Well i had originally got together my sails for the Black Pearl. But while drilling a larger hole into the base of the sails as i had replaced the bottom mast section. My drill bit broke and the sail esembley flew in opposite directions !!!
I found the broke drill bit but yet to find the sails ?
So i had to then make my own as Martin explained how you can't get spare sails from PP ?
This happened Tuesday and i still can't finds my sails ? More pictures to come
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Thank you, the pictures look good, I may have to look at getting a few 1/600th sailing ships to fill out the fleet, I like to have different designs.
Well this is it sort of complete. I ve got to give the sails a rub down tomorrow, to get the moulding knife marks out of the picture. I might now make up the front sails to match, because i ve got 3 triangle sails to put on yet. Then its a case of ordering some ratlines.
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I ve sent off to Atlantic models for 2 of there 1/500 Ratlines to see what they are like ?
See how long before they turn up
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Miles you have been Mr Busy.
Wow - very impressive seeing all the work going on on these ships!
Getting there. I prefer the foresails after doing the mainsails i knew where i went wrong ! Must admit now it is relatively easy to make sails and masts.
Just got the deck Furniture, and guns to put on and a paint job. Also when they arrive Ratlines to put on as well.
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Those sails look good, much better than my sails anyway.
Thank you Duncan. I followed what Martin has done on the second mast, then had to bring the first mast up to standard. Looks like i will have to fabricate another set of sails for one of the other large ships as well, otherwise i won't have enough 3 sail masts.
My Ratlines from Atlantic models arrived to ! Less than a week from order to delivery.( but they were in stock)
I have been trying to find some sails for sale online but nothing in a similar enough scale unfortunately. I did see the taglines and stuff but I have to admit I am not that into sailing ships to know much about what they are so am keeping them basic similar to Martin's.