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martin goddard

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Is 18mm dying or expanding
« on: May 21, 2020, 05:35:51 PM »
Is 18mm going to replace 15mm as a popular game figure size?
Remembering that figure heights and widths are all over the place anyway.

I remember when  28mm "appeared" and most 25mm ranges became 28mmm within a month.

This also happened when 20mm horse and musket became 25mm, thanks to mini figs (circa 1970).
I believe AB figures started the "18mm" moniker.
I observe one 18mm maker has now changed to "15/18mm" and another has changed from 18mm to  "big 15mm" on another.
Obviously this is all chat and not intended to indicate that PP will ever make 18mm,19 or 31mm figures.

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Re: Is 18mm dying or expanding
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2020, 06:06:42 PM »
No, just call everything larger or smaller than PP models.  Let them set the standard.

The rest do not matter!!!

Anyway where do you measure, top of the base, bottom of the base, bottom of the foot, top of the head, top of the hat, line of the eyes, etc. are the figures heavily dressed and armoured, naked with just a loin cloth.

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Re: Is 18mm dying or expanding
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2020, 06:10:18 PM »
 I get the impression that 18mm has carved out it's own niche. But a niche that is rather wobbly at the edges - some 18mm figures are best described as small 20mm, others can be described as large 15mm.

I don't get the notion of 15/18. Make your mind up! It's either one or the other. Can't be both.

Then there's the other strange notion of true 15mm and large 15mm, which to me at least translates as 15mm and 18mm.

I can understand the commercial sense of creating 18mm (almost akin to the Games Workshop model of only our figures are compatible with our figures) but don't quite get the need for it.

 Does 18mm equate to a nice round scale ratio? It doesn't translate to a model railway gauge does it?

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Re: Is 18mm dying or expanding
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2020, 06:21:25 PM »
1/144 = 11.2mm
15mm = 1/107
1/100 = 16.1mm
1/87 HO scale = 18.5mm
20mm = 1/80.5

But none of these state where the figures are measured from and to.

Obviously you can measure a real truck wheel and then scale this to the model, this is not the case with figures.

martin goddard

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Re: Is 18mm dying or expanding
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2020, 06:56:42 PM »
I think all police records record villains' heights from foot to eye? With a 7" limit to accuracy. 

Thus a villain given as 5ft 6 inches in height might in fact be as tall as 6ft 1 inch or as short as 4 feet 11 inches. Good enough detail for a "wanted" poster?


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Re: Is 18mm dying or expanding
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2020, 07:59:38 PM »
Not sure here that 18mm will catch on... a lot of 15 mm painted armies say so. I know there are people that paint far faster then I...but once mine are done...they stay.

No interest in 18 mm here...  but this is the west coast of N America & the key market here is back on the east coast US. 

Mean time...back to painting my very nice Lancastrian army....

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Re: Is 18mm dying or expanding
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2020, 09:05:20 PM »
I'm more confused with the new 12mm. You have 10mm and 15mm already, why 12mm?

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Re: Is 18mm dying or expanding
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2020, 09:27:04 PM »
I get the impression that 18mm has carved out it's own niche. But a niche that is rather wobbly at the edges - some 18mm figures are best described as small 20mm, others can be described as large 15mm.

That's my feeling too. I sense this growing new category as rather imprecise and variable. My 'red line' lies on compatibility with regular 15mm, and über alles their compatibility with 1/100 scale things.

For instance, Anthony Barton's napoleonics are still 15mm to me (hey! quite tall 15mm guys I admit, but 15mm in the end), but Capitan Games' SCW weren't compatible with 1/100 stuff by any means (H0 gauge - 1/87 scale as much).

martin goddard

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Re: Is 18mm dying or expanding
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2020, 10:17:32 PM »
12m was launched by Hinchliffe back in 1973. System 12.
Manufacturers are often caught up in "i will start my own size and they will flock to it" delusion? When it drs not line their pockets with cash they need to pretend that their revolutionary vision is in fact compatible with lesser ones.

Remember the flames "you can only use our models at competitions?". How did that go?

Of course i am relatively poor, so my vision thing is obviously not working well enough. But I care little about that.

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Re: Is 18mm dying or expanding
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2020, 11:11:28 PM »
I like 15mm - it's the optimal balance for me between individual figures, storage space and not having to paint every button.

18mm is plain wrong  :)

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Re: Is 18mm dying or expanding
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2020, 12:20:36 AM »
Is 18mm the new 20mm?  That is the question that should be asked.  There’s not much difference when you put figures from either scale side by side.

From my observation on the paint and chat groups I join in with on Discord, 15mm has made a bit of a resurgence.  Lots of 15mm WWII, ACW, and ancients armies being painted.  18mm is popular with the Napoleonic guys. AB are amazing figures and they have a really good range.

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Re: Is 18mm dying or expanding
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2020, 08:14:28 AM »
It’s true 15mm all the way for me. Not interested in anything else.

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Re: Is 18mm dying or expanding
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2020, 09:27:15 AM »
Agreed. 15mm is here to stay. Well, I've been buying Peter Pig for 30 years and other than the odd transgression into other scales, I haven't played a historical game with anything else.

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Re: Is 18mm dying or expanding
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2020, 12:45:19 PM »
I have recently bought some 15mm Italian Wars Venexia figures from Lancashire games and have noticed on their website that they have an expanding range of 18mm figures, including an Italian Wars one. For the photos on the LG website these figure4s look over proportioned and remind me of a large version of the old Mikes Models figures, i.e. bulky and squat.Also the Blue Moon 15mm range is continuing to expand. However those figures seem to be about 15mm size for mounted, but slightly bigger for foot. As a result some of my friends refer to the Blue Moon range as 18mm.

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Re: Is 18mm dying or expanding
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2020, 12:49:54 PM »
One manufacturer who is oft touted as true 15mm vary wildly in size, one of their mounted figures was a very tall 18mm and that wasn't taking into account his sitting down legs.