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martin goddard

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Since you've been gone
« on: August 11, 2019, 11:08:50 AM »
Some (many)  wargames shows are no more.
Is there one that you miss?
Is there one that is good riddance?

Good riddance to "gauntlet" I think it was called, in Birmingham. No bring and buy, no public, poor transport, rough area, events cancelled......

Sad bye to Southern Miitaire. Good location for parking and access.   Nice area. Good selection of games. Top traders, one day , good weather and hobby personalities.

All opinion and pesonal experience of course :)

martin goddard

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Re: Since you've been gone
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2019, 09:06:55 PM »
Bedford show was good (1980s ?). One big hall and great access.
STAB show was good. Nice and close to get to.

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Re: Since you've been gone
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2019, 11:39:29 PM »
I miss the old Triples show at Sheffield University. Once they moved it away from the city centre it was not the same.
I also miss the show that used to be held at Theale in February each year. Only a small show but it was a great chance to have a long chat with the other traders and you could get some real bargains on the B and B.
Oh and it goes without saying....... FISTICUFFS.

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Re: Since you've been gone
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2019, 09:12:29 AM »
Triples was certainly one of the "big" shows.
Fisticuffs awaits a rise in club membership.  Then.......

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Re: Since you've been gone
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2019, 04:12:19 PM »
I also miss Triples at the uni and also Northern Militaire in Oldham.

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Re: Since you've been gone
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2019, 01:44:07 PM »
To the Redoubt in Eastbourne is one I miss. Small show but good location and plenty to keep the family busy nearby.

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Re: Since you've been gone
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2019, 02:24:58 PM »
I remember the redoubt. Gaming in the open air!

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Re: Since you've been gone
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2019, 12:45:55 AM »
Apologies for resurecting this old thread but I missed it first time around.

I'll add to the chorus that misses Triples at the university. This show would often see a car full of gamers from Stoke drive through Buxton across the Penines both days. We must have been mad!

Derby too is missed. The move to the university was a good one I think, but after that at Donnington and then somewhere outside Leicester really showed a down turn in quality.

Northern Militaire was an oldie from back in the day.

Ceasefire was a nice show in Manchester if I remember rightly.

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Re: Since you've been gone
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2019, 07:32:04 AM »
First show I ever went to was Northern Militaire at Swinton Town Hall. Owe my love of 15s to that day out.
Think of it everytime I go past the junction on the motorway.

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Re: Since you've been gone
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2019, 09:37:50 AM »
I think that  venues are probably going up in rental cost. These rises are out stripping the willingness of gamers and traders to pay.

At a normal "local type" show  we pay
£140 for a  12 foot table.
£110 fuel
£50 food
£90 wages
This gives £390.  That would need about £1000 in sales to cover costs and the actual cost of manufacturing . The £1000 would give about £300 profit. That would be just fine.

However a show such as SELWG brought in £450 last year.  York £640.  Exeter £240.

Of course shows offer an outlet for advertising and greeting. All good stuff.

A lot of this is due to the lower sales of 15mm at shows.

Most small traders (one person or a couple) don't pay tax, insurance or wages. That makes a  trip to a show more profitable. Good for them.

None of this is a moan, It is my choice to make figures.
But I hope you find it a useful insight into 15mm manufacturing and show attendance?

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Re: Since you've been gone
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2019, 10:05:32 AM »
That is useful, Martin - if a little sobering and sad to face the hard facts  :'(

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Re: Since you've been gone
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2019, 10:24:17 AM »
At The Bovington show I  charged £40:per 6ft stand to cover Museum staff and advertising.
We managed to raise over£400 for the Royal British Legion from table rent and the bring & buy donated about another £80.
Hope to do similar next year.

Stewart

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Re: Since you've been gone
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2019, 02:48:04 PM »
Shows are also social events where like minded people get to chat and exchange ideas. This shouldn't come at the expense of the trader though....maybe charge a bit more on the door.

Partisan had over a 1000 paying customers in May. I think they charged £5 on the door. Charging £6 would make an extra £1000 and I'm sure an extra £1 wouldn't deter anyone from visiting.

If shows want to continue to exist they need to make an effort to encourage the traders and make it worth their while ad much as getting the punters in through the door.

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Re: Since you've been gone
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2019, 03:22:41 PM »
All good points, Sean.

Maybe some organisers are being a little greedy, at the expense of traders (without whom, they have no show) in particular?

It's perhaps informative (not to say inspiring) to see how much money Stewart was able to raise for a good cause at Bovington, while not fleecing the traders or indeed charging anything at all to the general public (since they got in free once they'd paid to see the 1:1 scale tanks), on his not-for-profit basis.

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Re: Since you've been gone
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2019, 06:06:37 PM »
Exactly Simon. But Stewart is likely an outlier. I understand coats have to be met - but with our traders there is likely to be no show.

A trend over the last few years has been for fewer traders to be primary manufacturers with more and more resellers of others products - typically Perry plastics and the like.

In my eyes this is a real shame.