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martin goddard

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The next big thang
« on: December 02, 2018, 06:49:26 PM »
BB may be the next set of RFCM rules to be re-built.
This would start in about April 2019.
Of course, all great plans can be foiled by a penny worth of tar?


POE is not yet finished, but it is good to look ahead(?).
This seems like  a good time to get folk thinking about it all.

Initial restrictions are.
  • 5x 3 table . Possibly 5x2 table?
    Grids (yes/no)
    Retention of present motivation system (not sure)
    AP. Probably.
    More, smaller units.
    5,6 to hit (yes I think so)
    WOTR specific
    Pre-game long narrative. This is the events  part of RFCM rules of that era. Be nice to retain this.

Comments invited.

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Re: The next big thang
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2018, 07:27:07 PM »
I would vote for 5x3 no grid.
If smaller units then 1/2 base casualties?
I think present rules bow fire hit on 5+ with re-rolls for quality fireres then normal saves
Opertunity bow fire hit on 6 with re-rolls.
Keep current pre game and general quality generation?
Scenery works well and I have played most of the scenarios

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Re: The next big thang
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2018, 07:46:19 PM »
What is the reason for reworking these rules?
If the size of units decreases will the number of units increase?
Keep the table size 5 x 3.
Minor revisions to the pre game campaign, but it all worked well and has become a good system, utilised into the current rule sets.

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Re: The next big thang
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2018, 08:13:27 PM »
Its more a tidying up, rather than a re work ?  The lance rule and bow fire ruling if i remember ? The Basic rules are quite sound and have the flavour of the period.
From a personal point of view must make a " Black Prince" figure.

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Re: The next big thang
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2018, 11:09:18 PM »
Bloody Barons is a very good ruleset that is widely enjoyed as a period specific set of rules.

My thoughts.

1. 5 X 3 and no grid.
2. Could units be similar to Vikings....as in with mixed quality? Maybe each army can have a certain number of Household troops to share out amongst the units rather than have a whole unit of Household 
3 The fight amendments that are on the Piggie website were great. I know plenty of people that struggle with the 4 times table.
4. The scenarios all work well as they are! There's not many I've not played nd all give a good game.
5. Pre-game is already very good with lots of flavour and things to consider.
6. Current motivation and APs work well.

In short these are still a very good set of rules. There are some more recent innovations that could make them a bit more slicker.

I can see that a grid might work. There was little subtlety in the Wars of the Roses. It was essentially an archery duel followed by two lines of troops smashing into each other.

But as always, I'm happy to follow whichever direction they take.

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Re: The next big thang
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2018, 05:31:40 PM »
Would love to see a grid squares layout for Bloody Barons. The reboot of Regiment of Foote was very well done and I would love to see a similar style for Bloody Barons.

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Re: The next big thang
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2018, 10:03:33 PM »
Very much in the camp of if it ainít broke donít fix it. Not a big fan of the RoF reboot. Much preferred the original mini-campaign to the new map based one. Also donít feel that the squares give it as much of a historical feel compared to the original, which is odd because I really enjoy Square Bashing, where the squares do seem to work. If BB changed much I would be unlikely to buy into it as I really enjoy the game as is.

Only changes I would be likely to applaud would be the use of household troops to boost an otherwise weak unit, and the incorporation of the new combat chart and cavalry combat into the main body of the rules. The strength of these rules is that they are period specific and the best I have ever played for the WOTR.

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Re: The next big thang
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2018, 09:29:11 AM »
I can re-assure that those who like the first set of rules will  find them available as a pdf on the PP website. This has been done  for ROF (if people want it), AK, SCW, Hey you in the jail, SB etc...

A new set of rules gives more choice. You can either play the new one or carry on or start using the older one.
When SB came out there were many shouts about how folk hated grids and they still do. Fine by me.

Peter Pig were the only square gridded miniature war-game rules out back in 1998. No one else has produced any square gridded rules since that date. Just showing how right the nay sayers were.

At this point I am open to all data input but do re-assure gamers that it will be a PP production. That once again boldly goes where others fear to tread...

I would advise against the "it ain't broke" approach. That would be the death of all new ideas.
Reminds me of my mum's mangle and hot tub. Did the job just fine.
Who here has bought a car with those new fangled electric windows and in-car radio.

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Re: The next big thang
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2018, 10:14:31 AM »
They'll never catch on Martin. My 1984 Vauxhall Viva didn't need electric windows to wow the girls 😁

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Re: The next big thang
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2018, 10:25:34 AM »
And you're right....no one is going to break into my house and demand I throw my old rules away!

I found some older rules the other day....

Ancients by the 'Effing Levellers - played these with 25mm Warrrior miniatures armies in my mates garage.

Bloody Cauldron - I think I only played these a couple of times.

Company - Space Ships were home made from all sorts of odd bits and bobs. Quite enjoyed these.

A very early copy of Abteilung - Played in the early 90's using Peter Pig and SDD stuff.

2nd Edition Pieces of Eight - Never played 🤔

Lincoln's War - 12" square ACW. Played lots.

Conquerors and Kings - played quite a  bit with Romans and Germans.

Original Bayonets and Ideology - prior to using squares. Used a couple of times with figures I bought from Alumwell in the mid 90's.

How times change!

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Re: The next big thang
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2018, 11:07:29 AM »
Arr Lincolnís war, one of my first PP rule sets, used 6Ē squares and 6mm figures

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Re: The next big thang
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2018, 11:59:36 AM »
For some reason I.have 3 copies of the old AK47 all with different coloured covers.

Abteilung is dated from 1988 which must be one of the oldest RFCM. They are credited to Martin and Paul McInnerey. Anyone know him?

The ancients set is actually called 'Oi!' and is from 1989.


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Re: The next big thang
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2018, 12:22:09 PM »
Sean you will need to be the group historian. I can barely remember them myself.

Do you have HOKA HEY?

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Re: The next big thang
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2018, 02:03:22 PM »
No I think it's the one set  I must have lost in house moves. I did have it. I would love to get a copy to complete my collection. I keep looking on eBay and at bring and buys.

You don't have a copy anywhere do you?
I could write a piece on the evolution  of RFCM rules?

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Re: The next big thang
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2018, 02:05:53 PM »
I will certainly look. No problem.