Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Author Topic: Turkish helmets  (Read 781 times)

martin goddard

  • RFCM Admin Supporter
  • Hog the Limelight
  • *
  • Posts: 2095
    • View Profile
Turkish helmets
« on: April 12, 2018, 05:03:25 PM »
Not a tempter or indication of things to come, just a matter of interest. the Turkish WW1 army used the German helmet but cut off the bottom flange/lip  and produced a german helmet with a horizontal seam al the way around. Very interesting.
https://www.ottoman-uniforms.com/ww1-ottoman-army-uniforms/

Leslie BT

  • Supporter 2018
  • Hog the Limelight
  • *
  • Posts: 1269
    • View Profile
Re: Turkish helmets
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2018, 09:05:17 PM »
With all this information you could spend months building Ottoman models.

Rittervonbek

  • Supporter 2018
  • Piglet
  • *
  • Posts: 20
    • View Profile
Re: Turkish helmets
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2018, 09:57:25 PM »
Would  SCW helmets be a good proxy?

martin goddard

  • RFCM Admin Supporter
  • Hog the Limelight
  • *
  • Posts: 2095
    • View Profile
Re: Turkish helmets
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2018, 10:34:29 PM »
Not sure if SCW helmets are similar. I just wonder why the Turks put all that effort into modification. Shorter necks??

SimonC

  • Hog the Limelight
  • *
  • Posts: 384
    • View Profile
    • Lurkio
Re: Turkish helmets
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2018, 09:54:35 AM »
I read that the purpose of reducing or removing the visor was to adhere to a Ottoman stricture against shading the eyes. I haven't been able to corroborate that, but addressing the prayer theory it's clear that the wearer couldn't touch his forehead to the ground when wearing either model of helmet

I'd take that with a pinch of salt though

SimonC

  • Hog the Limelight
  • *
  • Posts: 384
    • View Profile
    • Lurkio
Re: Turkish helmets
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2018, 09:57:33 AM »
its worth noting that the helmets were provided 'sans brim' by the Germans rather than a field modification

SimonC

  • Hog the Limelight
  • *
  • Posts: 384
    • View Profile
    • Lurkio
Re: Turkish helmets
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2018, 10:01:30 AM »
Well the imperial war museum has this on the subject

Quote
The M18 peakless steel helmet was produced in Germany for issue to troops of the Ottoman Empire. The design is heavily influenced by the German standard M16 Stahlhelm in all ways but for the lack of a peak to the front. It is suggested that this feature was deleted as a concession to religious practices. Some 5,400 of these helmets are known to have been produced but not known how many were actually issued to Turkish troops. Notably, following the Spartacist rising in December 1918, elements of the Freikorps obtained quantities of this type of helmet during the post-war German revolution.


SimonC

  • Hog the Limelight
  • *
  • Posts: 384
    • View Profile
    • Lurkio
Re: Turkish helmets
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2018, 10:03:26 AM »
unrelated but a great pic of how chilly it might get on the Caucasus


martin goddard

  • RFCM Admin Supporter
  • Hog the Limelight
  • *
  • Posts: 2095
    • View Profile
Re: Turkish helmets
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2018, 11:55:54 AM »
Yes, that is yet another version of the helmet. Not the one I was originally showing though.  Those Turks!

Leman

  • Supporter 2018
  • Hog the Limelight
  • *
  • Posts: 1039
  • If it's too hard, I can't do it.
    • View Profile
Re: Turkish helmets
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2018, 09:51:16 AM »
Could it not have been a response to the climatic conditions of the middle east, i.e. by removing the brim it allows for more air flow around the head and ears?

martin goddard

  • RFCM Admin Supporter
  • Hog the Limelight
  • *
  • Posts: 2095
    • View Profile
Re: Turkish helmets
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2018, 09:59:23 AM »
Yes that sounds sensible. It would also save weight, which matters in heat and cold.

old grunt

  • Piglet
  • *
  • Posts: 1
    • View Profile
Re: Turkish helmets
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2018, 04:14:57 AM »
I'm actually using the German Freikorps figures to represent units with this helmet.  I'm going to mod the heads by filing some of the helmet away. 

pbeccas

  • Supporter 2018
  • Wild Boar
  • *
  • Posts: 155
    • View Profile
Re: Turkish helmets
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2018, 11:44:40 PM »
We need a head pack Martin.