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Title: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: martin goddard on April 13, 2019, 08:42:47 AM
In Edition 3 of the Mill  i intend to do a gamette based upon the French resistance.
In particular 10 to midnight on 5th June.  Operation Green. The resistance blowing the railways .

Because the gamette is very D day orientated I will be taking it to the Entoymnet D day event in June 2019.

So here are some thoughts.
How about getting the gamette out for the end of April to  RFCM group members so that it can be used before it goes out in Edition 3 of the Mill. Thus it will be in Edition 3 as expected, but also on group release to forum members before then, in order to go through it. Then games can be invited to read the rules before they play it at Entoymnet.

Brief preview
Player 1 = German plus police. Responsible for getting the trains through and dealing with the resistance.
Player 2= Resistance . Responsible for blowing up trains and tracks.


Basic idea
German will scatter his forces and trains over 5 zones on paper.
Resistance will use  intelligence , methods (guessing) to try to find out what is going where. He will use this intelligence to decide which 2 zones to attack. Those zones might turn out to be stuffed full of Germans or maybe a VIP (General's personal staff) train target?
The actual fights will be on a  18 x 6 inch table.
Two 18" length of track.  One on the table with no train on it ( as this is pre train arrival). The second strip will have the train that is on its way.


Thanks to Miles for helping me get the train stuff.   TTGauge.

Because the table is so small, maybe I should lay out a 6x4 full of scenery which just "sits there".

More soon.




I will put this out again at the end of the week to see who is willing to peruse the rules and test the ideas out.

Title: Re: French resistance for 15 Mill edition 3
Post by: Wardy64 on April 13, 2019, 09:46:43 AM
I thinks 8x4 with a huge river  ;)
Title: Re: French resistance for 15 Mill edition 3
Post by: Stewart 46A on April 13, 2019, 10:28:32 AM
Sounds like fun
Title: Re: French resistance for 15 Mill edition 3
Post by: John Watson on April 13, 2019, 10:39:42 AM
Now listen carefully. I shall say this only once. The picture of the Fallen Madonna with the big boobies is 'idden on the train coming from Berlin with General von Klinkerhoffen and Herr Flick of the Gestapo. Unknown to them the two British airmen are also trying to escape on this train. To intercept the train you will need a copy of Bradshaw's guide (the European version as Berlin is not on the timetable for the British version). You will also need the special Portillo unit (dressed in red jacket, yellow trousers and winning smile) to use Bradshaw's and identify the correct train. You must rescue the airmen and the painting of the Fallen Madonna with the big boobies, blow up the Germans (but not Leftenant Gruber in his little tank) whilst speaking with a ridiculous French accent and getting your pronounciation ill wrung.

I'll go and lie down again now. Where are my tablets?
Title: Re: French resistance for 15 Mill edition 3
Post by: agamemnon on April 13, 2019, 01:39:24 PM
John,
Love it, love it!!!!
Title: Re: French resistance for 15 Mill edition 3
Post by: Leman on April 13, 2019, 05:06:03 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ‘allo Night Owl.
Voice off: “Oo is eet?”
Shut up you stupid wuumaan!
Title: Re: French resistance for 15 Mill edition 3
Post by: Martin Smith on April 13, 2019, 10:19:41 PM
Now listen carefully. I shall say this only once. The picture of the Fallen Madonna with the big boobies is 'idden on the train coming from Berlin with General von Klinkerhoffen and Herr Flick of the Gestapo. Unknown to them the two British airmen are also trying to escape on this train. To intercept the train you will need a copy of Bradshaw's guide (the European version as Berlin is not on the timetable for the British version). You will also need the special Portillo unit (dressed in red jacket, yellow trousers and winning smile) to use Bradshaw's and identify the correct train. You must rescue the airmen and the painting of the Fallen Madonna with the big boobies, blow up the Germans (but not Leftenant Gruber in his little tank) whilst speaking with a ridiculous French accent and getting your pronounciation ill wrung.

I'll go and lie down again now. Where are my tablets?

Perfect! 👍👍
Title: Re: French resistance for 15 Mill edition 3
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on April 15, 2019, 10:10:01 PM
I will put this out again at the end of the week to see who is willing to peruse the rules and test the ideas out.

Please count me in, Martin!
Title: Re: French resistance for 15 Mill edition 3
Post by: martin goddard on April 16, 2019, 10:49:43 AM
Excellent work John :)
Title: Re: French resistance for 15 Mill edition 3
Post by: Smoking gun on April 19, 2019, 08:57:51 AM
I'd be interested in trying this out too. Sounds very interesting.

Martin
Title: Re: French resistance for 15 Mill edition 3
Post by: martin goddard on April 19, 2019, 03:44:22 PM
Will put it out soon then. Thanks for the interest.
Title: Re: French resistance for 15 Mill edition 3
Post by: Stewart 46A on April 19, 2019, 04:39:36 PM
It could be a full PBI pre D-Day game with SAS/resistance teams destroying rail/telephone lines, ammo etc dumps against German/Police patrols
Title: Re: French resistance for 15 Mill edition 3
Post by: Leslie BT on April 19, 2019, 06:13:31 PM
With the French resistance as the game for 15 Mill, we never did a Ristance army for PBI Company Commander.  This would be a good addition to make, what could be included, the french of course, a platoon for the SOE, some lost US pathfinders, shot down RAF aircrew.  What about the assets?

Well what are the suggestions?
Title: Re: French resistance for 15 Mill edition 3
Post by: Leslie BT on April 19, 2019, 07:49:14 PM
These wartme pictures have a very similar feel to the Spanish Civil War.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sciWrVRbJSk
Title: Re: French resistance for 15 Mill edition 3
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on April 19, 2019, 08:18:39 PM
These wartme pictures have a very similar feel to the Spanish Civil War.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sciWrVRbJSk

I have bought some of the Resistance packs to mix in with SCW militia.
Title: Re: French resistance for 15 Mill edition 3
Post by: martin goddard on April 19, 2019, 09:55:46 PM
I will do a PBI resistance army list. Just got to finish some more research work on it. Then I will put it forward for discussion??
Title: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: martin goddard on April 21, 2019, 07:13:11 PM
Here is a link to draft 1 of the rules.

https://www.peterpig.co.uk/French%20resistance%207.pdf

or use the little   "x" in the bottom corner of front page of PP website,
Title: Re: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: Stewart 46A on April 21, 2019, 09:36:42 PM
Thanks Martin, a lot of work has gone into this.
Title: Re: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: martin goddard on April 21, 2019, 09:38:49 PM
Maybe too big for a   gamette?  Time will tell..
Title: Re: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: John Watson on April 22, 2019, 10:38:32 AM
Possibly too big, but could be offered as a complete separate game. Perhaps add a couple more scenarios such as help the airmen escape or kidnap the German general/scientist. There are quite a few typos in the draft but I appreciate that this is a first draft only. Also there seems to be some confusion in the number of things in zones. In places it says 0 to 3 in other places it says 1 to 3. Further the number of gendarmes starting changes from 3 to 2 at one point.
Overall though a splendid idea and will justify buying figures from the Partisan/Resistance section which I have always shied away from.
John
Title: Re: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on April 22, 2019, 11:56:16 AM
Wow- that is a lot of work already, Martin. And some great photos to boot.

Would you like comments posted here, or sent to you / Les directly?

Has anyone had any thoughts on the best type of figure to use for Gendarmes? Perhaps some of the WW" French Command figures with pistols?

Luckily, there are hundreds of Germans figures already to choose from!
Title: Re: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: martin goddard on April 22, 2019, 12:14:21 PM
How about comments on here initially . Then we can air any major  problems.
Title: Re: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: Smoking gun on April 22, 2019, 12:37:45 PM
Hello,
I've read through it twice and now have a good grasp of the basic concepts and mechanisms. As the train doesn't interact with the figures you could use a smaller scale train e.g. "N" gauge or 1/300th (6mm).

I hope to have a play test next week due to other (travel) commitments this week.

Martin
Title: Re: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: martin goddard on April 22, 2019, 02:12:14 PM
Yes a smaller train is a good cost reducing idea. I will include some prism downloads, so that folk can stick together Toblerine shaped trains with pictures on two faces.
Title: Re: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: Hman on April 22, 2019, 07:57:49 PM
There are some paper trains available on the Junior General website - http://www.juniorgeneral.org/ (http://www.juniorgeneral.org/)
Also the scenario could contain a variation; convoy rather than train?
Title: Re: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: martin goddard on April 23, 2019, 08:58:34 AM
That is a great site. Thanks for mentioning it.
It is worth a browse just to see all the interesting things hidden away.   Found a DC3!
Title: Re: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on April 24, 2019, 07:22:19 AM
How about comments on here initially . Then we can air any major  problems.

OK, so here goes with a few queries on version 7:

 - What is the minimum number of items per zone? Page 2 says zero while page 3 says one
 - How many German items are there? Page 3 states that there are 8, while the German items table has a total of (3 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 4 =) 11
 - Is it perhaps that there should just be a single group of 3 Gendarmes?
 - It took me a while to work out the table configuration and logic: a little diagram on page 4 of the main table might be helpful?
 - Resistance interrogation table: I think the maximum possible value per zone is 10, not 11 (i.e. 6 + 3 + 1)?
 - Page 8: Resistance task: just to be clear: the Resistance player has to throw a 1 and 2 in his (I’m assuming a male gender for Messieurs Les "le Rouge" and Ralph Lebleu) first zone, a 3 and a 4 in his second zone and a 5 and a 6 in his third zone to win?
 - Section 11: Movement: presumably another reason to move would be for the Resistance player to place explosives in an appropriate zone?
 - Section 13: Morale: I think it’s probably the case that Gendarmes have no defined Leader (but it might be useful to state this for the avoidance of doubt)
 - Section 17: Victory points: presumably if two trains are destroyed (over the 2 zones), the Resistance player claims two completed tasks (and similarly for the Germans, if both attempts are foiled)? Also, if the Resistance attacks a train-free zone and blows up the track, they would still score for “task completed” even if they don’t claim for a train?
Title: Re: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: martin goddard on April 24, 2019, 04:53:38 PM
Thanks

Updated version 8 now there.
Title: Re: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on April 24, 2019, 05:01:15 PM
Thanks, Martin. That was a quick turnaround  :)
Title: Re: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: martin goddard on April 24, 2019, 09:30:55 PM
Thank you for the input Simon.  i think it needs a play sheet + battle sheet (getting big)
Title: Re: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: Leslie BT on April 25, 2019, 08:35:42 PM
Simon good to see your keeping Martin up to the mark on these 15 Mill games, its taking all my time to keep up with BB to keep Martin republishing with the corrections.
Title: Re: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on April 25, 2019, 08:55:32 PM
Simon good to see your keeping Martin up to the mark on these 15 Mill games, its taking all my time to keep up with BB to keep Martin republishing with the corrections.

Yep - it's all about "divide and conquer". We can't have Martin slacking off.
Title: Re: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on April 26, 2019, 10:43:08 PM
Martin - thanks for version 8 - looking good!

A few more points that I think I know the answer to, but which might be worth clarifying:

a) there is no "carry-over" of Resistance forces from one Zone to another (since they're supposed to be simultaneous attacks at geographically dispersed locations)?
b) can the German roll for extra man even if he has had all his original ones killed?
c) can the "German" roll for extra German troops (instead of carrying out actions) if none were present initially (i.e. no troops at all e.g in a failed bluff, or else Gendarmes only)?
d) Resistance interrogation table: since there is a minimum of 1 item per zone, the French payer would be foolish to guess zero (I'm sure our heroes are sharper than that...?)
e) Actions (page 8 ): it might be worthwhile pointing out that some figures may not be able to move at all (if the player has foolishly thrown a low dice, or other figures have been greedy in their use of action points)?
f) Resistance task: presumably one step being occupied by the Germans does not prevent attempts to place charges in other target steps?
g) Movement: reasons for movement could also be: to physically block enemy movement and/or to set a charge (if Resistance)
h) Turn sequence: it might be worth mentioning that even though the battle clock may still be running, the Zone activity ends if one or other player completes their task?
i) strictly, Gendarmes are - I believe - part of the French army, and so we should probably avoid the use of the term "police" throughout?
Title: Train wreckers update
Post by: martin goddard on May 01, 2019, 02:44:17 AM
After a bit (not much) of play testing there is a better version.
See front page of PP website.
XXXX=play sheet
YYYYY= rules
Title: Re: Train wreckers update
Post by: Stewart 46A on May 01, 2019, 01:16:43 PM
Thanks Martin
Title: Re: Train wreckers June 1944
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on May 11, 2019, 09:24:37 AM
A few further comments / queries on version 11 - I'll email separately a mark-up with the (even more...) minor tweaks, Martin: