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RFCM discussion => General discussion => Topic started by: Colonel Kilgore on May 11, 2018, 07:36:05 PM

Title: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on May 11, 2018, 07:36:05 PM
So, this is intended to be a visual equivalent to the Currently Reading persistent thread.

I will start with the recent 8-part "Troy: Fall of a City". I've been catching up with my recordings of this and have got as far as episode 3.

I know very little about the period (other than the rich warriors rode around in chariots, and no-one had invented steel yet).

I'm not so sure about folk charging around on large horses (I'd thought that the point of chariots was that horses hadn't yet been bred sufficiently strong enough to be ridden into battle, but that could be a myth), but like the not-too-fantasy armour and generally gritty look.

I'm equally not sure how one could make an interesting wargame out of this (any ideas?) but it's a story I've always been interested in and am delighted it's been given the "box set treatment by the BBC.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Leman on May 13, 2018, 09:21:13 AM
Unfortunately my opinion of the show is not very positive. In fact I wondered how such an exciting story could be presented in such a boring way. I think Iíll stick with the Brad Pitt version. As for wargaming: it was an age of heroic warfare so skirmish gaming is probably the best way to do it.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Duncan on May 15, 2018, 06:45:50 PM
I have to say I agree, I watched the first two episodes which was a struggle as they were so terribly done. I hoped it would improve but sadly not.

I don't tend to watch much television nowadays beyond the news, but I am currently watching season 2 of Westworld and have just started watching Siren for which I am as of yet undecided as to if I like it?
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Leman on May 16, 2018, 11:22:49 AM
I have recently been watching El Ministerio Del Tiempo on Netflix. OK, it is sub-titled, but as I am trying to improve my Spanish this is a bonus for me. The storylines are really engaging, the premise being that Spain has access to a building with many doors, each of which leads to a different year in the past. The Spanish government has set up a secret ministry (complete with budget cuts) to oversee the doors and ensure history is not messed about, but of course all sorts of characters are trying to access the present in order to change their own particular history. So far Napoleonic spies have been after modern weapons to change the course of the Peninsular War, and the Nazis have been prevented from dragging Spain into WWII, whilst also attempting to access the present for their own gain. A famous Spanish poet has also been prevented from dying prematurely on the Spanish Armada. The agents who work for the ministry also come from different time periods, whilst at the same time the show is not averse to poking fun at modern Spain compared to its glorious past. If you can cope with sub-titles I would recommend this as highly entertaining.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Duncan on June 07, 2018, 01:23:43 PM
Anyone been watching Missions on BBC4? Shame it is in French but every now and then something that I feel is worthwhile reading the subtitles for comes along (as I don't speak French.) If you don't know it is about the first manned mission to Mars with a bit of a twist. Seems quite exciting so far. I have watched the first three episodes so far as catching up on the iPlayer.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Leman on June 07, 2018, 07:44:51 PM
Yes, I have been watching it. I think, like a lot of European stuff, it is very good as it doesnít suffer from the American habit of lathering everything in smulch. I actually find that paying attention to the subtitles helps in picking up foreign language idiom  - so stay calm, tranquillo; con dios.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Duncan on June 11, 2018, 05:29:23 PM
Maybe not watching but listening. Any Questions on BBC Radio 4 this week was talking about the high street and shops closing. One of the panel members (Edwina.) was talking about the need for retailers to make the High Street presence more of an experience and tie it in with the online sales rather than you g for an old style store that has not kept up with the times, like what has happened to so many department stores recently that have folded.
Anyway, one retailer that was singled out for using their stores for an experience rather than specifically just retail and as such proving to be a huge success not placing profit just for the store as its reason for existing, was Games Workshop where you can go play games, not just buy stuff. It was seen as an example of the way ahead. Just a pitty they seemed a bit confused about if it was wargames or video games but then I guess her even knowing the name of the company is something!
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Leman on June 12, 2018, 09:41:07 AM
Fortunately Wargames in Southport has gone that way - late opening, games being played and food and drink available, plus a friendly, knowledgeable but not pushy staff.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Duncan on June 12, 2018, 10:30:35 AM
Yes, the store that has opened in Weymouth is following this trend as well. Trouble is that it is not very big, but you have to take what you can afford I guess.
The one problem with this sort of store and maybe it is in part the summer me t matter is that it tends to become a hang out for smellies and noisy teens, or a substitute babysitter for kids dropped off by parents doing the shopping. Subsequently I find they can get noisy and uncomfortable if not properly controlled.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Stewart 46A on June 15, 2018, 10:17:20 PM
Yes Duncan I noticed that when I called in Boss minies, you and Mike were playing a game and the 5 or 6 kids on the window table were just chat in and on their phones. Scot (opener) was drown that her end talking to someone .
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Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Duncan on June 23, 2018, 02:24:04 PM
If you are interested there is a video of me reciting two of my poems on Conny's YouTube channel now!
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: martin goddard on June 23, 2018, 09:35:55 PM
Sounds good Duncan. Can you put a link to make it easier to find.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Duncan on June 27, 2018, 01:14:37 PM
Hee is th liink I hope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6_C33Z9TCA

Let me know what you think?
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Leman on July 12, 2018, 05:49:45 PM
The other night I watched Mohawk on Netflix. Set in woodland New York state in 1814, about a British agent and two Mohawk Indians being pursued by an American patrol. It started quite promisingly, then became rather strange, and I wasnít sure at the end whether one of the Indians was alive or a ghost. Unusual cinematic fare though, the War of 1812.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Duncan on September 13, 2018, 02:36:58 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06l0r01

See above link, Radio 5 Live, Up All Night Science with Dr Karl. Around 37 minutes in there is a question for Dr Karl from me regarding Earth, Pluto and clearing out ones orbital path.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Mike Tanner on September 17, 2018, 02:55:15 PM
What is your view on this subject, Duncan. Should we bring back Pluto?
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Duncan on September 17, 2018, 08:51:57 PM
I cannot see why? There maybe larger objects out there but then I Don't see why they cannot be planets as well.

For example if the talked about planet 9 is found the evidence points to it being a Super-Earth category which would make sense as it seems our system is an odd one out not having a planet of that mass; but it is also going to be a Kuiper Belt object and as such will no more of cleared its orbital trajectory than what Pluto will have.

Or for that matter Neptune, as we all know for part of its orbit (admittedly a small part) Pluto is nearer to the Sun than Neptune, so the same could be said for it as well. As I mentioned in my question, Earth is far from clearing its orbit although I admit nothing that big is in our way.

As it happens and unbeknown to me at the time of my question (as I have been pondering t for a while now.) A paper has just been published on the matter detailing the number of Trojans sharing orbits with Jupiter (some of which are quite big) as well as Earth and putting the point across that Jupiter is also in the same uncleared orbital position as Pluto and as such should also have planetvstatus withdrawn if this is the one criteria on which Pluto falls down under the new classification, which it is.

Personally I think that is a rubbish criteria as if we applied itvstrictly then none of the planet's would actually be planets.

When I was growing up a planet was an object orbiting the Sun (or another star.) That was also spherical under the influence of its own gravity. Therefore Pluto was one, but so would some of the other small worlds out there be and that is fine by me and to be honest I think most people. What we call then isn't going to matter two hoots to them, so it doesn't matter to me either. I see no issue with our sysem having twenty planets if that is how many it has.

I say make people happy, reinstate Pluto and bring those other worlds in from the cold! Most of them have names anyway and it is surprising how quickly children can memorise a few extra!

Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on October 14, 2018, 01:27:46 PM
Talking of TV shows. Has anybody seen the Channel 5 series "The Great Model Railway Challenge" a very good concept and shows the problems we have all experienced one way or another doing shows and tables for events etc....
Giving teams 3 days to make a layout to use and show. Showing some modelling technical abilities and problems. Worth taking a look.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Sean Clark on October 15, 2018, 01:08:42 AM
Recorded for later viewing. Maybe the Great British Wargame isn't far away!
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on October 15, 2018, 03:56:09 AM
They done that a few years back, BBC 2 ?
This one is done in conjunction with i e of the railway magazines.
Looking at there site, they are doing a model railway scene in a cakebox, 8 inch square, that looks good too.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Sean Clark on November 14, 2018, 02:30:49 PM
Just finished watching a film called 'Forbidden Ground'. It tells the story of 3 soldiers stranded in no mans land after a failed offensive during the later stages of WW1. Worth a watch. It's no Saving Private Ryan and a tad sentimental but I really quite enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: NTM on November 18, 2018, 12:09:31 PM
They done that a few years back, BBC 2 ?

Do you mean the C4 one with Angela Rippon Paddy Griffiths and Ian Dickie? BBC 2 did Time Commanders the most recent incarnation presented by Al Murray.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Leman on November 18, 2018, 04:39:34 PM
Completely away from my historical wargaming, I stumbled across Colony on Netflix (not to be confused with another Sci Fi - The Colony). TBH it is an allegory of the Holocaust. Earth has been conquered by an Alien Race (surprisingly kept under wraps, with only hints, even after two series) and, after a fair proportion of humanity has been killed off, the remaining cities have been divided up into blocks by prefabricated 300í high steel walls. The inhabitants are policed by collaborating humans, the most important of whom have their own fenced off  area of huge mansions and massive gardens. Humans who transgress are either shipped off (literally) to a labour camp on the moon, called the factory, or to labour camps just outside the walls. And of course there are various resistance groups. Still donít yet know what the ultimate agenda of the aliens is, but humans are being gradually exterminated. As can be seen - many parallels with the holocaust and some excellent plot lines. If you enjoy sci fi series I would recommend this one, if you can get past the American obsession with family, hugging and saying I love you every five minutes.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Sean Clark on November 28, 2018, 09:24:03 AM
Saw Peterloo yesterday.

It was ok. It seemed like every actor with a vaguely north west accent was in it with lots of 'see thee's' and 'ah's' thrown around.

I thought the film was a bit...empty. By that I mean there is a lot of build up to the event then virtually nothing after. This is possibly the film makers intent to make you go away and research for yourself what the aftermath was.

5/10
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Sean Clark on February 20, 2019, 09:34:33 AM
This year is designated my 'get to know WW2' year. The period has always been a bit of a Dark Age for me. I can tell the difference between a Tiger and a Panther tank, and I'm aware of who won, but as to tactics, the number of rivets on a Pz38t or how far a Spitfire could fly before needing to refuel I am clueless.

As such I am gorging on books, film and documentaries.

One such is the German produced 3 part drama 'Generation War.' I was very impressed with it, taking as it did the human angle of 5 friends and how the war affected them. Uniforms seemed correct. I think I saw some Tiger tanks. And the German was all dramatically correct.

I would recommend this if you haven't seen it. It's available on Netflix.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Leman on August 31, 2019, 09:28:11 AM
I am currently watching Carnival Row on Amazon Prime. This is a really nice bit of steampunk set in an alternative Victorian-type world, where humans live alongside faeries, pucks, and other unusual creatures. In war men have bolt action rifles, gatling guns, rockets and airships. The main mode of public transport in the main city is an overhead monorail steam tram. And of course there is lots of intrigue, and a (possibly intentional) Brexit/Trump parallel where some of the humans are getting upset about the influx of fae refugees from the human war, spouting such complaints as theyíre changing the fabric of our society to theyíre taking our jobs.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Sean Clark on November 02, 2019, 10:05:19 PM
Anyone watched 'The King' on Netflix?
It's about Henry V from becoming King to Agincourt.

The recreation of Agincourt was excellent I thought.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Radar on November 03, 2019, 05:30:53 AM
Recently tried watching Peterloo. Gave up on it, thought it needed a rigorous edit to make it more watchable. It could easily have an hour pruned from it, without actually losing any of the story.

Another Carnival Row recommendation here too. Looks good, good cast, good writing. Pleased to hear a second series has been commissioned.

Plus we'll see how good the BBC's Philip Pullman adaptation is tonight.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Leman on November 03, 2019, 07:43:52 AM
Thanks for the info on the Henry V Netflix programme. I wasnít actually aware of it, and here I am halfway through Juliet Barkerís Agincourt, which incidentally is a really good read.

I have recently been watching the Andertonís Music Store videos on You Tube. I donít play a musical instrument, but these vids are both very informative about guitars, amps pedals etc, and also very amusing in a way that most presenters on You Tube fail to achieve. The best vids feature the Captain (Lee Anderton), Chappers (Rob Chapman) and Danish Pete (Peter Honore). Lee Anderton is also a very good interviewer and has some fascinating guests on the show.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Sean Clark on November 03, 2019, 09:04:55 AM
His Dark Materials looks very promising. I thought the books were excellent.

Can't be worse than the Hollywood version!
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: MatŪas on November 03, 2019, 12:14:19 PM
I'm currently rewatching HBO's Rome to get in the mood for my Roman army.
Couldn't get through book 3 of His Dark Materials so I'm hoping to watch the series.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Leman on November 03, 2019, 02:48:01 PM
I have now watched the film, and in a few places it actually did touch on the historical life of Henry V, but I am assuming it was filmed in Philadelphia as enormous liberties were taken.  Had it been called The Red Shield of The Tower, about an episode in the life of King Harold IV it would have been a brilliant medieval romp, but history it ainít.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Sean Clark on November 03, 2019, 02:58:12 PM
Still the battle scene was impressive??
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Leman on November 03, 2019, 03:09:51 PM
Yes indeed, although I donít think the Dauphin was even there. He certainly outlived Henry. Did Thomas die in battle? Yes he did, in 1421. Were Henry and Hotspur on the same battlefield? Yes they were. It was Shrewsbury in 1403, Henry IV was in good health; prince Henry and Hotspur did not fight each other; Thomas wasnít present but King Henry was; prince Henry was wounded by an arrow in the right side of his face, thus the Henry in the film had the scar on the left side of the face. The devil, as all filmmakers know, is in the detail. But yes, it was a good battle scene. I could go on but it would become tedious.

One last thing - they chose an actor to play Hotspur who looked more like Henry V than the actor who played Henry V (who looked more like Rowan Atkinson). Why do I never get asked to consult on films?
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Sean Clark on November 03, 2019, 04:59:44 PM
Having no idea on the premise of the film I thought the opening scene was the young Prince Hal  :D

I enjoyed it as a medieval romp. It was interesting that they didnt make it obvious who was who and where was where...

The bit about Thomas being preferred for the crown was odd too. And the claim that he died in Wales. What gets me most is, why do they mess with history when history tells a better story?
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Leman on November 03, 2019, 10:26:46 PM
My sentiments entirely. Henry Vís actual story is a gripping yarn. This production, despite a good battle scene emphasising the mud at Agincourt,  and a passable stab at the siege of Harfleur (never actually named), was lamentable in itís approach to Henry Vís actual story. The film was long enough to deal with the early rebellion by Glyndwr and Percy and then focus on Henry IVís favouritism towards prince Thomas. Then it could have dealt with the kingís declining health and falling out with prince Henry owing to the latterís disagreement about the way the country was being run. After the kingís death Henry was convinced of his right to the French throne. Negotiations with the French were unsuccessful, and the new king had to raise loans, troops, a navy, provisions etc, and all the while Cambridgeís plot was happening and needed dealing with. On landing in France prince Thomas was instrumental in organising half of the force besieging Harfleur, whilst prince John (along with Humphrey, never mentioned in the film) was entrusted as regent of England. Henry did issue a personal challenge to the Dauphin, who simply ignored it. Further, I can only assume that Fastolfís involvement and death at the battle of Agincourt is a nod to the never mentioned Duke of York. As for the supposed assassination story Iíve never come across that before. In short anyone who gets their information on Henry V from this film will be getting a large amount of total b.......cks.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Radar on November 04, 2019, 07:35:37 AM
The King is quite good viewing. Just don't think about it.

Looks like the writers took a good spoonful of Shakespeare, a pinch of historical fact, and bulked it all out with made-up-ness.


As an aside, I can heartily recommend the BBC podcast on Tunnel 29
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Leman on November 04, 2019, 08:00:50 AM
Letís have the Civil War version. Initially Charles and his father donít get along so James decides that his younger son James will become king. However, this never happens as prince James is killed fighting the Spanish. Later in the film Charles, at the head of the red clad Pennymanís regiment takes on Jonesí blewe regiment, during which he is approached by Cromwell, who offers to fight a duel, but then trips over. In a very dismissive way Charles nods at Pennymanís pikemen who fall on the hapless Cromwell with abandon. What a great watch that would be.  ;D ;D ;D I guess we historians are just going to have to grin and bear the film industryís peccadilloes.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Radar on November 04, 2019, 09:24:48 AM
The suspension of belief (and facts) is a prerequisite for watching anything remotely pitched as 'historical'. everything needs some Hollywood 'sexing up'.

I am surprised, with the current political climate and the wealth of commentators making analogies with the Civil Wars, that no-one has pitched a good Civil war script to the film industry or the telly box.

For the Civil Wars Charles II's flight from the Battle of Worcester wouldn't need any sexing it up treatment. A tale of ripping yarn quality. Our hero, Charles, has to travel across merry old England in a number of disguises; aided by a glamorous strong woman (i'm sure she could become a lady from the colonies, in order to appeal to the American market), dodging evil incompetent stormtroopers Parliamentarian troops led by the the Sith Lord Cromwell. Lots of close calls (dramatic music), pretty cinematography, and the King winning in the end (boo/hurrah delete as appropriate). Plus it's not a superhero film. Box office success.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Sean Clark on November 04, 2019, 11:19:12 AM
I thought the Charles Spencer book on this subject was rather good, as was the book on the King Killers.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Leman on November 04, 2019, 02:03:10 PM
I live in hope that maybe Auntie Beeb will come up with a good and reasonably accurate Civil War script, after all, they appear to have done a pretty good job with His Dark Materials, much better than Hollywood, and decades ago they did a great drama on the trial of Charles I, complete with stuttering Scottish accent.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Colonel Kilgore on November 04, 2019, 02:21:09 PM
Andy, what did you think of By The Sword Divided, many years ago...?
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Radar on November 04, 2019, 02:48:02 PM
BtSWD trivia - the dashing Tom Lacey is the one and only David Archer, from Ambridge. Surprised that Linda Snell could only ever get him to play an ugly sister in the village Christmas panto.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Leman on November 04, 2019, 04:53:26 PM
If i remember I quite liked BTSD, but was disappointed that the fight scenes never seemed to involve more than  three or four people.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Leman on November 04, 2019, 04:55:34 PM
Have started watching His Dark Materials. A good few years since I read the books, but the Beeb seems to have made a jolly good fist of it - most enjoyable.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Sean Clark on November 04, 2019, 05:18:26 PM
I'm fairly sure By the Sword Divided is available on its entirety on YouTube.

His Dark Materials was a great trilogy of books. I assume the Tv series only covers the first one, although the using the series title might suggest otherwise. I really do hope they do a series per book otherwise it will be incredibly rushed.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Leman on November 05, 2019, 07:29:22 AM
As I understand it from a couple of reviews on the radio and in the papers this first series covers Northern Lights only and the intention is to follow on with two further series to cover the trilogy. BUT look what happened to Tripods in the 80s!
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Sean Clark on November 05, 2019, 09:03:56 AM
Thank the Lord. I was nervous that they would screw it up.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on June 08, 2020, 04:45:32 PM
Just finished Godless on Netflix, wow only 7 episodes and 1 series. But just for the scenery alone. Itís good Western action situated in New Mexico, a place called La Belle ( old silver mining settlement) north of the Red River. Based on a true story. But to me what you would expect to see in a settlement that was trying to grow from nothing. For us that would be playing Western itís great, not too build up and still very rural and back street.
Miles
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: martin goddard on June 08, 2020, 05:39:10 PM
Agreed Miles. Good series.

martin
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Si B on June 21, 2020, 10:30:15 PM
ĎFaudaí on Netflix. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Recently Been Watching...
Post by: Smiley Miley 66 on June 22, 2020, 03:56:44 AM
Robert Redfordís ďthe WestĒ on Netflix thatís very good and very informative I found, with some great acting and re enacted scenes on there too, covering the history of the East and West from 1865 thru to 1890ís thru some of the prominent characters of the time. I ve got a stack load of Westerns arriving to watch, hooray for the 2nd hand market on dvd/blue ray from EBay and Amazon.
Miles